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#22 (206) z 9-15.V.2012 weli z gamodis yovel oTxSabaTs z
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27 maiss
yvelani
Tavisuflebis
moedanze!!!
`me, biZina ivaniSvili, koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~ lideri, 27 maiss 15:00 saaTze, gelodebiT aq, Tavisuflebis moedanze, rom erTad daviwyoT saqarTvelos
gaerTianebis procesi da yvelam
erTad avixdinoT `qarTuli ocneba~!
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#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
biZina ivaniSvili sazogadoebas 27 maiss
Tavisuflebis moedanze Sekrebisken mouwodebs
Tengiz svaniZe _ 75
koalicia ,,qarTuli ocnebis”
lideri biZina ivaniSvili sazogadoebas 27 maiss Tavisuflebis
moedanze Sekrebisken mouwodebs.
aRniSnulis Sesaxeb videorgoli ivaniSvilis ,,feisbuqis”
veb-ggverdzea ganTavsebuli.
,,me, biZina ivaniSvili, koalicia ,,qarTuli ocnebis~ lideri, 27 maiss 15:00 saaTze, gelodebiT aq, Tavisuflebis moedanze, rom erTad daviwyoT saqarTvelos gaerTianebis procesi
da yvelam erTad avixdinoT ,,qarTuli ocneba~ _ aRniSnulia video mimarTvaSi.
75 wlisa Sesrulda TvalsaCino qarTveli poeti Tengiz svaniZe amasTan dakavSirebiT saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSirma iubilars misalmeba gaugzavna. misalmebaSi naTqvamia:
Cveno sayvarelo Tengiz!
ivaniSvilis advokatebma saqarTvelos prezidentsa da
samoqalaqo reestris saagentos sasamarTloSi uCivles
biZina ivaniSvilis advokatebma
samoqalaqo reestris saagentos da
saqarTvelos prezidentis winaaRmdeg Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi sarCeli Seitanes.
rogorc dRes sastumro „Tbilisi meriotSi“ gamarTul preskonferenciaze biZina ivaniSvilis
advokatebma _ aleqsandre baramiZem da Salva TadumaZem ganacxades, aRniSnuli sarCeliT
sasamarTlosgan samoqalaqo reestris saagentos daskvna baTilad cnobas da prezidentis davaldebulebas moiTxoven, rom
saqarTvelos prezidentma gamosces brZanebuleba biZina ivaniSvilis saqarTvelos moqalaqed miRebis Sesaxeb.
rogorc advokatebma aRniSnes, es sarCeli Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTloSi 2 maiss Sevida.
maTi TqmiT, sarCeli sasamarTlom ori Tvis vadaSi unda ganixilos.
„2012 wlis 4 aprils saqarTvelos iusticiis saministros sistemaSi Semavalma sajaro samarTlis iuridiulma pirma _ samoqalaqo reestris saagentom gasca
daskvna, romlis Tanaxmadac, biZina
ivaniSvils rogorc ucxo qveynis
moqalaqes, TiTqos ar SeeZlo miemarTa saqarTvelos prezidentisTvis gancxadebiT saqarTvelos moqalaqed miRebis Taobaze. saqarTvelos prezidents raime saxis administraciuli aqti am saqmeze ar
gamoucia. samoqalaqo reestris saagentos daskvna aSkarad ewinaaRm-
degeba „saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis
Sesaxeb“ saqarTvelos organuli
kanonis debulebas, romlis Tanaxmad, saqarTvelos prezidenti uflebamosilia miiRos gadawyvetileba ucxoel moqalaqeTa da moqalasaqarTveqeobis armqone pirTa
los moqalaqed miRebis Taobaze.
igi aseve ewinaaRmdegeba kanonmdeblobiT dadgenil sxva normebsac“,
_ aRniSna aleqsandre baramiZem.
misi TqmiT, samoqalaqo reest-
ris daskvna giorgi gabrielaSvilis mieraa momzadebuli, romelsac aRniSnuli saqcieli daufasda
da samoqalaqo reestris saagentos
xelmZRvanelad dainiSna.
advokat Salva TadumaZis gancxadebiT, saqarTvelos prezidentma Tavis umoqmedobiT uxeSad daarRvia „saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis Sesaxeb“ saqarTvelos organuli kanonis moTxovna, romlis Tanaxmadac, swored saqarTvelos prezidenti Rebulobs
gadawyvetilebas piris saqarTvelos moqalaqed miRebis Taobaze: dadebiTi gadawyvetilebis
miRebis SemTxvevaSi igi gamoscems brZanebulebas, xolo uaryorfiTi gadawyvetilebis miRebis SemTxvevaSi
gankargulebas.
„maisis dasawyisSi Tbilisis
saqalaqao sasamarTloSi sarCeli
SevitaneT samoqalaqo reestris
saagentosa da saqarTvelos prezidentis winaaRmdeg, romliTac moviTxovT: 1. samoqalaqo reestris
saagentos baTilad cnobas, 2. prezidentis davaldebulebas gamosces brZanebuleba biZina ivaniSvilis saqarTvelos moqalaqed miRebis Sesaxeb“, _ aRniSna TadumaZem.
ivaniSvilis advokati: xelisufleba saqarTvelos
moqalaqebs eqskluziur uflebas arTmevs
biZina ivaniSvilis advokatis,
aleqsandre baramiZis SefasebiT,
saqarTvelos xelisuflebis mier
ganxorcielebuli sakonstitucio
cvlilebebi, romlis Tanaxmadac,
evrokavSiris moqalaqeebs qveynis
politikur procesebSi monawileobis ufleba eniWebaT,
faqtobrivad, aris saqarTvelos moqalaqeebisTvis eqskluziuri uflebis CamorTmeva, romliTac maT sakuTari
qveynis bedis gadawyvetis ufleba
eZlevaT.
rogorc dRes sastumro „Tbilisi meriotSi“ gamarTul preskonferenciaze advokatma ganacxada,
ivaniSvils sruliad dausabuTeblad da ukanonod uTxres uari saqarTvelos moqalaqeobaze.
„aris mcdeloba, rom biZina ivaniSvils raRac sxva SemovliTi
gzebiT mieniWos SesaZlebloba,
rom man miiRos monawileoba arCevnebSi. gaugebaria, ra saWiroa SemovliTi gzebi, Tuki vTvliT, rom
ivaniSvilma unda miiRos monawileoba arCevnebSi. xelisufleba TviTneburad, raRac ucnauri Sexedulebebisamebr cdilobs miiRos iseTi gadawyvetilebebi da mimarTos
iseT gzebs, romlebic TavisTavad
ukanonoa da amasTanave, sxva ukanonobis gadafarvis mizans emsaxureba“, _ aRniSna baramiZem.
misi TqmiT, aRniSnuli ukanonoba SemdegSi mdgomareobs: nebismieri qveynis konstituciur-ssamarTlebrivi sistema aris agebuli ise,
rom am qveynis bedi unda gadawyvi-
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ton am qveynisve moqalaqeebma.
baramiZis SefasebiT, igi logikas ver xedavs imaSi, rom qveynis
bedi sxva qveynis moqalaqeebma gadawyviton.
„rodesac ucxo qveynis moqalaqes aZlev uflebas, rom man miiRos
monawileoba arCevnebSi da aniWeb
orive saarCevno uflebas rogorc
pasiurs, ise aqtiurs, amiT mas aZlev SesaZleblobas, rom man gadawyvitos im qveynis bedi, romlis
moqalaqec ar aris. Teoriulad SesaZlebelia miviRoT iseTi viTareba, rodesac saqarTvelos parlaments Tavidan bolomde daakompleqteben ucxo qveynis moqalaqeebi. me amaSi veraviTar logikas ver
vxedav. es aris, faqtobrivad, saqarTvelos moqalaqeebisaTvis eqskluziuri uflebis CamorTmeva, rom
maT gadawyviton Tavisi qveynis bedi“, _ aRniSna baramiZem.
`medianiusi~
saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri, Tqveni megobari
qarTveli mwerlebi gulmxurvaled mogesalmebian
Rvawlmosil, uaRresad sayuradRebo Semoqmeds da
gilocaven RirsSesaniSnav TariRs Tqvens cxovrebaSi _ dabadebis 75 da literaturul-SemoqmedebiTi
moRvaweobis 50 wlisTavs.
Tqveni mwerluri naTloba 1961 wels Sedga, rodesac gazeT `axalgazrda komunistSi~ gamoaqveyneT
pirveli leqsi `dadis bilikebze~. mas Semdeg Tqveni nawarmoebebi periodulad qveyndeba saliteraturo Jurnal-gazeTebSi, gamodis calke wignebad.
Tqveni poeturi krebulebi `mTvaris sizmrebi~,
`lurji siSore~, `Tovlis yvavili~, `sevdis naTeli~, `bobis gaxseneba~, `101 leqsi siyvarulze~,
`rCeuli~, `aTovs mowyenas~ da sxvebi mkiTxvels
xiblavs marTali da ZarRviani striqonebiT, samSoblos uebro da usinjo siyvarulis dauokebeli
wyurviliT, avtoris maradiuli surviliT, Tesos
sikeTe da saTnoeba. am krebulebis gacnobisas kidev
erTxel vrwmundebiT, rom poetebi mzis Svilebi
arian, romlebic daJinebiT cdiloben sakuTar sulebSi bavSvis, maradiuli bavSvis gadarCenas. gvixaria, rom Tqvens arsebaSi maRali zneobrioba, moqalaqeobrivi principebi, kultura da ganaTleba harmoniulad erwymis niWierebasa da TviTmyofadobas,
ris gareSec warmoudgenelia WeSmariti Semoqmedi...
Tqven, martosuli poeti brZandebiT da glovobT
marTlac rom glovisfer saRamos binds, ase meTodurad rom faravs Tqveni samSoblos sanaxebs...
gviyvarxarT imitomac, rom sulisSemZvreli striqonebi uZRveniT Tqveni oTxfexi megobris _ Tqveni
ZaRlis _ uerTgulesi bobis xsovnas...
Tqveni leqsi emociuria, wrfeli da saTuTi...
teqnikuri inteligenciis warmomadgeneli brZandebiT, sad ar gimuSaviaT,
manqanaTmSeneblobis
kvleviTi institutis ufros mecnier-muSakad Tu
TbilqalaqmSenis sawarmoo kombinatis mTavar meqanikosad, meqanizaciis sammarTvelos ufrosad Tu
kombinatis direqtoris moadgiled da yvelgan amayad atarebdiT qarTveli mwerlis saxels, yvelgan
profesionalizmiTa da sikeTis keTebiT gamoirCeodiT.
Tqvens megobrebze didi STabeWdileba moaxdina
Tqvenma triptixma, romelic saqarTvelos sulier
mwyemss, uwmindessa da unetares ilia II miuZRveniT.
Cveno Tengiz!
kidev erTxel guliTadad gilocavT saiubileo
TariRs Cinebul poetsa da moqalaqes, didxans sicocxles, janmrTelobas da axal SemoqmedebiT miRwevebs gisurvebT.
saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri
gazeTi xelmZRvanelobs Tavisufali presis principiT.
SesaZloa, avtoris pozicia ar eTanxmebodes redaqciis azrs.
informaciis sizusteze pasuxismgebelia avtori. gasaCivreba
SesaZlebelia masalis gamoqveynebidan erTi kviris vadaSi.
Semosuli masalebi avtorebs ar ubrundeba.
‹ am niSniT aRniSnulia sareklamo masalebi.
saerTo gazeTi
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
rogorc cnobili parafsiqologi da eqstrasensi serJ delakrua irwmuneba, biZina ivaniSvili
araCveulebrivi telepatiuri niWiT aris dajildoebuli da mas
SeuZlia Tavis oponentebze Sori
manZilidan, distanciurad, iseTi
fsiqologiuri zewola moaxdinos, rom mwyobridan gamoiyvanos,
anu, Cveneburad rom vTqvaT, daadebilos, gaagiJos, gaafreninos.
serJ delakrua _ me didi xania vakvirdebi baton biZinas. is
ara marto brwyinvale fsiqoanalitikosia, aramed Zalian Zlieri
eqstrasensi da telepatia.
is amJamad or subieqtze muSaobs distanciurad da, rogorc
dakvirveba gvaCvenebs, SesaniSnav
Sedegebs aRwevs.
es ori subieqti gaxlavT mixeil saakaSvili da Salva naTelaSvili.
am ori sacdel-saeqsperimento
subieqtis
bolodroindel qcevebs, maT Jestikulacias,
metyvelebas, agresiul
gamoxtomebs Tu daakvirdebiT, naTelia, rom
orives aSkarad etyoba
frenologiis niSnebi _
akviatebuli ideebi, SiSebi, devnis mania, mania
grandioza, narcisizmi,
egocentrizmi daavadebaTa iseT `Taiguls~
qmnis, romelTanac gamklaveba Tanamedrove medicinas Zalian uWirs.
nu davidebT codvas da yvelafers biZina ivaniSvils nu davabralebT, _ zemoTCamoTvlili daavadebebis umravlesoba, rac am
or subieqts Wirs, Tandayolilia, Tumca ramdenime daavadeba
aSkarad ivaniSvilis mier aris
stimulirebul-provocirebuli.
magaliTad, panikuri SiSi da
amiT gamowveuli araadeqvaturi
qmedebebi, rac bolo xans saaakaSvils dasCemda, cxadia, biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi Semosvlas
da mis mier ganxorcielebul taqtikur-strategiul svlebs ukavSirdeba.
gansakuTrebiT mZafrad moqmedebs saakaSvilze ivaniSvilis gadawyvetileba, rom xelisufleba
mxolod arCevnebis gziT unda Seicvalos.
saakaSvils uWirs molodinis
reJimSi cxovreba, uWirs imis
warmodgenac ki, rom, SeiZleba,
arCevnebSi waagos, rac misTvis
katastrofis tolfasia,
ivaniSvili ki mas am
SiSs kidev ufro
umZafrebs _ Tavisi biznescentris
yvelaze
bolo
sarTulze, specialurad eqstrasensul-parafsiqologiur-telepatiuri saqmianobisTvis
rogorc cnobili eqstrasensi serJ
delakrua irwmuneba, biZina ivaniSvili
Tavis oponentebze Sori manZilidan
fsiqologiur zewolas axdens da
zogs adebilebs da zogs agiJebs...
mowyobil saidumlo laboratoriaSi zis da saakaSvilis mimarTulebiT uwyvet telepatiur
signals agzavnis _ veravin ver
gviSvelis, arCevnebs waageb! veraferi gixsnis _ arCevnebSi damarcxdebi!
yovel aseT
signalze saakaSvili
cofdeba
Turme da
Tavis garemocvas
cocxals da
mkvdars utrialebs: _ gakoWeT!
daiWireT!
cixeSi
CaagdeT!
xma
CaakmendineT,
Torem tanSi WianWvelebi mivlis, tvinSic WianWvelebi darbian... gavgiJdebi!
amaswinaT,
xom naxeT, ra
damarTa ivaniSvilma maxaTas
mTaze asul
saakaSvils
_ manqanidan gadmovida
Tu ara,
egreve
ajaxa
koj-
ridan signali da es amxela kaci
lamis miwaze daagdo.
saakaSvilis Tvalebi xom naxeT
_ azris natamali ar qonda Sig _
esec ivaniSvilis damsaxureba iyo.
rac Seexeba Salva naTelaSvils, impulsuri da emociuri naTelaSvili Zalze
advilad eqvemdebareba
fsiqologiur zewolas
_ erTi saSualo
simZlavris sxivi
da qaris wisqvili-
viT iwyebs xelebis qnevas _ miSveleT! mklaven!
t e r a q t s
miwyoben!
ivaniSvils
Cemi mokvla unda
da saerTaSo-
riso Tanamegobrobas SeatyobineT,
damicvan am banditisgan.
ivaniSvili mxolod
naxevari doziT moqmedebs naTelaSvilze _ imdenad susti fsiqika
aqvs, mTeli doza rom gamoviyeno, SeiZleba saerTod gagiJdes da codvaao, _ uTqvams.
oriode dRis winaT, roca naTelaSvili brifings atarebda,
mis gverdiT gugavac mdgara. cota meti fsiqodasxiveba mosvlia
Turme baton biZinas da naTelaSvilTan erTad gugavac asxmartalebula.
_ doza erT kacze iyo gaTvlili da or kacs ase rogor
mouTava xelio, _ ukvirda
Turme baton biZinas, SalvasTan
erTad gugavas fxarkals rom
uyurebda.
delakruas azriT, mTavar
siurprizs Semodgomaze, oqtombris saparlamento arCevnebSi unda velodoT, roca biZina
ivaniSvili mTel Tavis SesaZleblobebs aamoqmedebs.
ai, maSin naxeT Tqven
ivaniSvilis fsiqologiuri zemoqmedebiT nacmoZraobis da leiboristebis mxardamWerebis mier koalicia `qarTuli ocnebis~ sasargeblod biuletenebis
Cayra da saakaSvili-naTelaSvilis gadareva.
jerjerobiT ki biZina ivaniSvili dinjad, Tanmimdevrulad
axorcielebs mixeil saakaSvilis
fsiqologiur damuSavebas da,
rogorc ityvian, nabij-nabij
mihyavs igi im `fsixuSkisken~, sadac bevri
stalini, bevri bonaparati da bevri aRmaSenebeli cxovrobs.
rac
Seexeba
Salva
naTelaSvils, delakruas
ganmartebiT,
mas
ukve ar sWirdeba
`mkurnaloba~, is
sicocxlis
bol o m d e
sul `janmrTeli~
da `janmrTeli~ iqneba...
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4 saerTo gazeTi
gvesaubreba biZina ivaniS vilis mrCeveli, `Tavisufali
demokratebis~ gamgeobis wev ri, diplomati zaza gogsaZe::
_ batono zaza, 21 aprils
partia ukve dafuZnda, ra iqne ba Semdegi nabijebi?
_ koalicia `qarTuli ocneba~, partia _`qarTuli ocneba _ demokratiuli saqarTvelo~ biZina ivaniSvilis xelmZRvanelobiT axal-axali nabijebisTvis vemzadebiT, rac saboloo jamSi arCevnebSi gamarjvebamde migviyvans. maisis bolos vapirebT mxardamWerebisTvis, didi RonisZiebis gamarTvas, sadac sakuTar miznebsa
da amocanebs warvadgenT da aqtiur
saarCevno
kampanias
daviwyebT. 27 maiss `qarTuli
ocneba~ Tavisuflebis moedazne Sesakrebad vemzadebiTm
sadac Cvens samomavlo gegmebsac gavacnobT sazogadoebas.
_ anu ras mieZRvneba 27
maisis Sekreba _ sakUTari gegmebis gacnobas?
_ es axali etapis dawyebis
dRe iqneba, anu Cven ukve vafiqsirebT, rom viwyebT axal
etaps, rasac uSualod arCevnebisTvis samzadisi hqvia. rac
Seexeba, manifestacias, 27 maiss Tavisuflebis moedanze
sruliad saqarTvelos SevkrebT da erT muStad gavaerTianebT! bevri kiTxva Cndeba imasTan dakavSirebiT, Tu ratom
gadavwyviteT am TariRis aRniSvna maSin, roca `saxalxo
krebas~ am dRes ukve hqonda
RonisZieba dagegmili. amaSi gansakuTrebuli araferia, 26 maisi mniSvnelovani TariRia
qveynisTvis da yvelas gvinda
misi aRniSvna. piriqiT, am dros, ra Tqma unda, yvela erTad
unda iyos.
mTavari opoziciuri Zala,
koaliciaSia Tavmoyrili. dRes
ori polusia Seqmnili: erTi
_ xelisuflebis da meore _
opoziciuri, romelic ivaniSvilis garSemoa Sekrebili.
swored, am dros 26 maisi
CvenTvis mniSvnelovania, am
dRiT vafiqsirebT, rom erTad
varT, SevdivarT safinalo
xazze, rasac arCevnebi
hqvia. bunebrivia, 26
maiss, yvelas prerogativa damoukideblobis
dRis aRniSvnaa. rasakvirvelia, 26 maiss yvela aRniSnavs imas, rac
SarSan moxda. xelisuflebam jer ar naxuli sisxliani darbeva
moawyo, saSinlad gausworda qarTvel xalxs.
ra Tqma unda, amis winaaRmdegia
sruliad
progresuli sazogadoeba, maT Soris Cvenc.
_ ivaniSvilis politikaSi Semosvlis
dRidan, xalxi molodinis reJimSia. uSualod maT rodis
warudgenT programas, Tu ras
sTavazobs maT konkretulad
biZina ivaniSvili?
_ axla, regionebSi aqtiur siaruls da ideebis propagandas daviwyebT. bunebrivia, mosaxleobasTan Sexvedri-
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
27 maiss Tavisuflebis moedanze
sruliad saqarTvelos SevkrebT
da erT muStad gavaerTianebT!
sas Cvens programebze visaubrebT.
_ Tumca, axlaxan, kontro lis palatam, amjerad is xalxi dakiTxa, vinc `qarTul oc nebas~ ofisebi miaqirava. ro gor apirebT am fonze brZo lis mogebas?
_ Cemi varaudiT, es maTi
daSinebis mizniT xdeba. vis raSi ekiTxeba ratom miaqiraves
`qarTul ocnebas~ adamianebma
TavianTi kuTvnileba? maT ekiTxebian, ra kavSiri gaqvT `qarTul ocnebasTano~. amaze pasuxi xelisuflebas unda movkiTxoT. xalxs masiurad ibareben. xelisuflebas amiT Semdegi mizani aqvs _ hgoniaT,
rom xalxs daaSineben da sxva
veRar gabedavs Cvenze farTis
moqiravebas. xelisufleba yvelanairi meTodiT cdilobs Zalauflebis SenarCunebas. Cveni
ubedureba swored isaa, rom
xalxma ver gaiTavisa, rom sakuTar beds Tavad wyvets. es
maT erTxel da samudamod unda gaiTavison. saqarTveloSi
xalxs es gacnobierebuli ar
aqvs. maT hgoniaT, rom rogoradac ar unda iaqtiuron, xelisufleba arCevnebs mainc gaayalbebs, arCevnebs moigebs da
vinc opoziciis mxardamWeri
iyo daisjeba. xalxs eSinia,
rac absoluturad gasagebia,
magram arc is unda daviviwyoT, rom SiSi ver ixsnis
sikvdilsa. Tu SiSs davZlevT,
gadavwyvetT arCevnebze vaJkacurad mivideT da yvelam xma
im partias mivceT, vinc Cven
gvinda, Tu xalxis aqtiuroba
Zalian maRali iqneba, xeli-
sufleba arCevnebs ver gaayalbebs.
_ magram xalxi rom gaaqtiurdes, opoziciamac igive magaliTi xom unda uCvenos?
_ vmuSaobT xalxTan. yvelafers Tavisi dasawyisi da
dasasruli aqvs. arCevnebamde
xom ar SeiZleba erTi tempiT
vimuSaoT?! yvelaferi gawerili gvaqvs da gegmis mixedviT
midis.
_ alasaniam Tqva milioni
adamianis mobilizebas movaxdenTo, ra keTdeba am kuTxiT?
_ rodesac xalxSi gadixar, eubnebi maT xma momeciT _
es mobilizacia ar aris?! masiurad vmuSaobT xalxTan, davdivarT regionebSi, alasanias
ukve 200-ze meti sofeli aqvs
movlili, axla senakis mosaxleobas xvdeba. es milioni
adamianis mobilizeba ar aris,
aba, ra aris?!
_ Tqven ki eubnebiT xma
mogvecio, magram ra garantiaa,
rom xelisuflebis represiuli manqana Tqvenze ukeT ar muSaobs?
_ gasagebia, raRac procenti, albaT represirebuli iqneba, da ver gabedavs xmis mocemas, zogic nihilisturad
ganwyobili, magram aseTi procenti rac SeiZleba dabali
unda iyos. xalxma nihilizms unda sZlios.
_ ivaniSvilis po litikaSi
mosvlis
dRidan xelisuflebis
mxridan ukanonobebis
kaskadi ar wydeba...
_ es xelisuflebis sisusteze mianiSnebs. rac ufro finalisken wavalT, miT
met ukanonobas Caidenen. Cven amisTvis mzad
varT da xalxic unda
iyos mzad, maT aqtiurad unda aRimaRlon
xma am ukanonobis winaaRmdeg. unda damTavrdes xelisuflebaze CabRauWebis politika. xelisuflebaSi mosvlis Semdeg Tu Cven ar
vivargebT, Catardeba arCevnebi
da wavalT. CvenTvis mTavari
iqneba xalxi da ara rogorme
xelisuflebaSi darCena.
_ arCevnebamde sxva formiT
rom gavilaSqroT, amas ra uS -
lis xels, Tundac davafiqsiroT Cveni protesti ivaniSvilisadmi ukanonod CamorTmeuli moqalaqeobis mimarT?
_ ver vityvi, rom xalxi
ar iTxovs amas, magram Tavad
batoni biZina erideba xalxisadmi mowodebas, Tumca Cven
aqtiurad vibrZviT amisTvis.
ra ufleba aqvT, rom ar aZleven moqalaqeobas? xalxma yvelgan unda daafiqsiros, rom
is, rasac xelisufleba akeTebs zRvargadasuli, binZuri
ukanonobaa. es SantaJia simarTlis winaaRmdeg. xval viRac
ucxoeli Camova da mas SeiZleba maSinve moqalaqeoba miscen. amis sawinaaRmdego araferi maqvs, demokratiuli principebis momxre var, magram erTi ram ver gamigia _ viRac gadamTiels meore dResve vaZlevT moqalaqeobas da kacs,
romelmac naxevari saqarTvelo
aaSena moqalaqeobas varTmevT?
Tu ara igi, vin aris aba saqarTvelos moqalaqe, mixeil saa-
rod, moxda ise, rom Tu 7-8
wlis win saqarTvelo ucxoeTis sagareo politikaSi privilegirebul adgils ikavebda,
dRes gacilebiT dabal safexurzea, rasac am xelisuflebam Seuwyo xeli. dRes iqneba
ara ise, rogorc aSS-s unda,
aramed ise, rogorc qarTveli
xalxi gadawyvets. aSS ki
mxars dauWers xalxs da ara
saakaSvils.
_ konstituciaSi cvlile ba Sedis, romlis Tanaxmad ivaniSvils SeeZleba arCevnebSi
monawileobis ufleba, magram
ara finansebis xarjva.
_ maT eSiniaT, rom arCevnebs movigebT da kanons yurs
iqiT abamen, saiTac surT. dRes
moagondaT, rom Turme es kanoni ar yofila swori da adre
Tu SeiZleboda dafinansebis
miReba, axla aRar SeiZleba.
wina arCevnebze kenWs rom iyridnen, ratom maSin ar Secvales es kanoni, ra maSin ar
hyavdaT iuristebi?! am yvela-
kaSvili, romelmac teritoriebis 20 procenti dakarga?!
_ am yvelafridan erTi
daskvnis gakeTeba SeiZleba, kanonis farglebSi am xelisuflebasTan saubari SeuZlebelia. aki uwoda kidec alasaniam maT kalveras banda. kalve ras bandas arCevnebiT rogor
unda ebrZoloT?
_ simarTle imarjvebs. rodesac ukmayofilo xalxi raodenobrivad izrdeba, es mere
xarisxobriobaSi gadadis. es
filosofiuri kanonzomierebaa
da aucileblad ase moxdeba. am
ukanono gzebiT mebrZol xelisuflebas arCevnebiT mainc movugebT. mTavari aqtivoba da
xalxis ganwyobaa. Tumca, brZola advili ar iqneba.
_ bolo dros saubroben,
rom saakaSvili kvlav inarCu nebs aSS-ss mxardaWeras da am
ukanasknels araferi scxia
imisa, rom miSas gadayenebis
momxrea. Tqven ras fiqrobT
amaze?
_ saakaSvils sazRvargareT
aRaravin uWers mxars. qarTvelebi Zalian varT damokidebuli imaze, Tu rogor gviWeren
ucxoeTidan mxars. samwuxa-
fers maT SiSi akeTebinebs. samTavrobo saaTze merabiSvilma
Tqva _ Tu vova sanakoevi qarTul saqmes gaakeTebs, ar gvainteresebs igi vin aris, Tundac fsb-s agenti iyos, ucxo
kapitals suni ar aqvso. ver
gavige, ivaniSvilze rom amboben rusuli fuli aqvs da mxari ar dauWiroTo, ras niSnavs
es gancxadeba?! eseni imdenad
gagiJdnen, yvelafers kadruloben. midis propaganda, rom
ivaniSvils fuli ruseTSi
aqvs naSovni, rac sruli absurdia. maSin, sanakoevis fuli ratom gvinda, gaurkvevelia. ras hgavs es?
_ batonma biZinam erT-eerT
konferenciaze quCaSi gamosv lac ar gamoricxa. gubaz sanikiZemac Tqva amas winaT erTerT interviuSi _ gamovalT,
ga-mmo-vval-T
To! marTlac gegmavT
aqciebs?
_ calkeul sakiTxebze SeiZleba mitingi Catardes an
raime moTxovna gaJRerdes, magram es sul sxvaa. Cven vemzadebiT arCevnebisTvis da ara
aqciebisaTvis.
Tamar SveliZe
saerTo gazeTi
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
gasul kvir
ras amer
rikis respublikur
rma saer
rTaSor
riso inst
tit
tut
tma IRI-mm kvlevis Sedegebi gamoaqveyna, romelmac sazogadoebaSi bevr
ri kiTxvis niret
tulad raSani gaaCina. konkr
tom ar
rsebobs aseTi negat
tiur
ri
damokidebuleba kvlevebisadmi
da SesaZloa, Tu ar
ra kvlevis
Sedegebma gavlena iqonios,
amomr
rCevlis gadawyvet
tilebaze.
,,saer
rTo gazeTs” polit
tologi
ramaz sayvareliZe esaubra.
_ batono ramaz, ras fiqrobT aSS-iis saerTaSoriso
respublikuri institutis mier
Catarebul kvelvebze, ramdenad
damajereblad migaCniaT?
_ IRI-is mier Catarebuli
kvlevis Sedegebi damajereblad
ar mimaCnia da samwuxarod, am
undoblobas ewireba is, rac yvelze Zalian miyvars _ sociologiaa. kvlevisadmi, pirvel
rigSi, Cemi undobloba ganpirobebulia im saidumloebebiT,
rac axasiaTebs IRI-isa da NDIis kvlevebs. isini zust monacemebs ar aqveyneben da mere
mkiTxaoba gviwevs. vgulisxmob,
Tundac politikuri partiis
reitingebs, romelsac Tavad ar
axmovaneben, magram viRaca yovelTvis aqveynebs da mere gviwevs mkiTxaoba, Tu ramdenad
zustia gavrcelebuli cifrebi.
bunebrivia, monacemebs avrcelebs is partia, visTvisac dadebuli reitingebi ufro xelsayrelia. IRI-is kvlevaSi aris
aseTi kiTxva, Tu romel liders endobiT opoziciidan. sainteresoa, ratom aris am formiT dasmuli SekiTxva? saerTod vis endobiT ar SeiZleboda ase dasmuliyo SekiTxva? am
SemTxvevaSi, roca ase viwrovdeba sakiTxi, bunebrivia, ,,nacionaluri” moZraobisTvis ufro
upriani iqneba kvlevaSi SedarebiT ,,rbili” opozicioneris
lideroba, vidre Tundac biZina
ivaniSvilis.
_ kiTxvaze, Tu romel opoziciur liders endobiT, kvlevis mixedviT 28%-iiT giorgi
TargamaZe liderobs, meore adgilze 21%-iiT biZina ivaniSvilia. es cifrebi ramdenad asaxavs im politikur realobas,
rac qveyanaSia Seqmnili?
_ es kiTxva unda daesvaT im
adamianebisTvis, vinc opoziciis
mxardamWeria da ara yvelasTvis. ,,nacionaluri” moZraobis
mxardamWers rom hkiTxav opoziciidan vis uWers mxarso,
cxadia, daasaxelebs iseT kandidats, vinc misTvis da xelisuflebisTvis ufro komfortulia. giorgi TargamaZe, rogorc Cans, mmarTveli gundisTvis misaRebi opoziciuri lideria.
_ batono ramaz, cota xnis
win ,,qdm” daviT lorTqifaniZem
politikuri Sexedulebis gamo
datova da ,,qarTul ocnebaSi”
_ ras uwunebT
konkretulad IRI-iis
kiTxvars?
_ kiTxva gamiznulad isea dasmuli,
rom SedegSi miviRoT
giorgi TargamaZe da
ara ivaniSvili. anu
dasmuli
SekiTxva
provocirebas ukeTebs pasuxs, ise, rom
kiTxvari Segnebulad
gamiznulia konkretuli SedegisTvis.
_ am SemTxvevaSi
visze, an raze iyo Sedegi orientirebuli?
_ am SemTxvevaSi
giorgi TargamaZe sazogadoebaSi ufro ndobiT aRWurvilad unda
gamoiyurebodes, vidre
biZina ivaniSvili.
aris. ase, rom mzaddeba arCevnebis gayalbebis foni.
_ SesaZloa, vivaraudoT,
rom IRI-iis kvlevis Sedegebi
,,nacmoZraobis” prestiJisTvis
Catarda?
_ swored es ar mesmis, ratom dasWirda amerikis an erT
(IRI), an meore organizacias
(NDI) gamxdariyo saxelisuflebo Stabis erT-erTi ganyofileba. aSS-isTvis es faqtori
damamcirebelia.
_ saubroben imaze, rom aSSi ar miiRebs saqarTveloSi gayalbebul arCevnebs. igive IRI,
NDI xom amerikuli organizaciebi arian, maSin ras niSnavs
es yvelaferi?
_ ki, magram, viciT vis
emorCilebian? isini ukve didi
xania saqarTveloSi muSaoben da
iqneb maT saqarTvelos xeli-
ramaz sayvareliZe:
ar mesmis ratom dasWirda
amerikis an erT, an meore kvleviT
organizacias gamxdariyo
saakaSvilis sarCevno Stabis
erT-erTi ganyofileba?
gadavida. Tqvenc iziarebT mosazrebas, rom ,,qristian-d
demokratebi” xelisuflebis TamaSs
TamaSoben?
_ yovel SemTxvevaSi, xelisuflebisTvis ,,qristiandemokratiuli” moZraoba arasasurvel partiad ar aRiqmeba.
sakonstitucio
iniciativa,
rac moZraobis wevrebma wamoayenes, ,,nacionalebma” aRfrTovanebiT ,,aitaces” da aseTi
harmonia maT Soris xSirad
ikiTxeba. Tavs vityuebT Tu
erTmaneTs vatyuebT _ gaugebaria.
_ respublikuri institutis kvlevaSi kiTxvaze: xval
rom saparlamento arCevnebi iyos, romel partias dauWerdiT
mxars reitingi ase gadanawilda
_ ,,nacionaluri moZraoba~
45%, ,,qarTuli ocneba” _ 15%,
,,qdm” _ 9%. ras fiqrobT am
maCveneblebze?
_ am formiT dasmul SekiTxvaze aseT Sedegs rom miiRebdnen, Zneli asaxsneli ar
unda iyos. vfiqrob, es suraTi
ufro xelovnuradaa Seqmnili.
_ anu IRI-ii xelisuflebis
dakveTas asrulebs?
_ cota xnis win NDI-sac
swored am formulirebiT hqonda kiTxvebi Sedgenili da monacemebic, TiTqmis, IRI-is kvlevis Sedegebis analogia. me, piradad, studentma am formulirebiT Sedgenili kiTxvari rom
momitanos, ukan davubruneb.
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.ge
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
_ Tu kvleviTi organizaciis Sedegebi realurad ar asaxavs im situacias, rac qveyanaSia, maSin
ra mizani aqvs
kvlevis Catarebas da SesaZ-
suflebasTan Tavi kargad igrZnes? saqarTvloSi NDI-i luis
navaros xelmZRvanelobamdec
arsebobda, Tumca aseT politikur WidiliSi monawileobas ar
loa, Tu ara arsebulma Sedegebma sazogadoebaze gavlena
moaxdinos?
_ SeiZleba, garkveul nawilze moaxdinos, magram saerTodac rom ar moaxdinos da
Tu arCvenebze saarCevno Sedegebi kvlevis analogi iqneba, maSin mmarTveli gundi am kvlevebs argumentad gamoiyenebs,
rom arCvenebi gayalbebuli ar
Rebulobda. analogiurad IRI-c
CarTulia analogiur TamaSSi.
amitom maTi moxibvla, an ,,nacionalurma” moZraobam moaxerxa,
an TavianTi qveynis politika
Tavad am organizaciebs ar ainteresebT.
_ ra unda gakeTdes saimisod, rom kvlevbisadmi amdeni
kiTxvis niSnebi ar daisvas?
_ iago kaWkaWiSvilma SesTavaza, rom maT erTmaneTis kvle-
vebi gadaemowmebinaT, Tumca arc
IRI-m da arc NDI-m mis iniciativas mxari ar dauWira, rac
kidev erTxel miuTiTebs imaze,
rom amerikuli organizaciebi
WeSmaritebiT dainteresebuli
ar arian.
_ erTia, roca kvlevis Seegebs ar endobiT, magram is
cifrebi rac IRI-mm ,,qarTul
ocnebasTan” dakavSirebiT dado,
xom ar aris ganpirobebuli ivaniSvilisa da misi garemocvis
pasiurobiT?
_ rac ufro aqtiuri iqneba
esa Tu is mxare, miT ufro nakleb damajerebeli iqneba misi
dabali reitingi. Tumca me arc
imas gamovricxav, rom ivaniSvilis mxares ufro dabali reitingi arsebobdes, vidre kvlevaSia asaxuli, radgan maTi
mxridan aqtiuroba ar aris.
Tumca am SemTxvevaSi, ufro mawuxebs sociologiis bedi, vidre ivaniSvilis.
_ ras gulisxmobT?
_ samwuxarod, sociologiis diskreditacia xdeba. albaT,
sociologia simarTles roca
ityvis, arc maSin daujereben.
_ Tumca xelisufleba yovelTvis axerxebs mZime situaciidan gamosvlas da viTarebis
saTavisod Semobrunebas?
_ xelisufleba Zalian seriozuli mebrZolia da brwyinvaled icis politikuri brZolis meTodebi da Sesabamisad
karg Sedegebsac iRebs.
_ aseTi Zlieri konkurentis pirobebSi ramdenad sworad
moqmedebs ivaniSvili, roca
aseT pasiurobas iCens?
_ SesaZloa, arsebobdes aseTi strategia, rom piks miaRwion maSin, roca qveyanaSi winasaarCveno bumi iqneba.
agvistos bolo da seqtemberi iqneba piki am arCevnebisTvis da Tqma imisa, rom am strategias arsebobis ufleba ar
aqvs, marTebuli ar iqneba.
_ 27 maiss ,,qarTuli ocneba” winasaarCevno kampaniis farglebSi masStabur aqcias gegmavs. am masStabis aqcia, Tundac
moedanze, ramdenad iqneba Sedegze orientirebuli?
_ gaaCnia, stadionze ras
apireben `ocnebis~ warmomadgenlebi. albaT, gaxsovT, ramdenime wlis win, roca stadionze
opoziciis iniciativiT xalxi
Seikriba, finalma ra dramatuli saxe miiRo da faqtobrivad,
gadaswona Sekrebis yvela plusi. amitom gaaCnia, rogoraa gawerili ,,qarTuli ocnebis” gegmebi da ra aqvT mofiqrebuli
saimisod, rogor gauSvan stadionze misuli aTasobiT adamiani, rac advili saqme namdvilad araa. amitom ar vici, rogori scenari muSavdeba da sanam ar vnaxav, komentaris gakeTeba gamiWirdeba.
miranda nabaxteveli
jon basi: yvelgan unda iyos daculi saerTaSorisod
aRiarebuli uflebebi ise,
rogorc es dasavleTSia
saqarTveloSi aSS-iis elCis jon basis gancxadebiT, mniSvnelovania rogorc mSvidobis miRweva, aseve muSaoba misi
SenarCunebisTvis da iseTi qveynebis daxmareba, visac am
TvalsazrisiT problemebi aqvs.
amis Sesaxeb jon basma dRes vakis parkSi ucnobi jariskacis saflavis yvavilebiT Semkobis Semdeg ganacxada.
rogorc basma aRniSna, yvelgan unda iyos daculi saerTaSorisod aRiarebuli uflebebi ise, rogorc es dasavleTSia.
`medianiusi~
5
6 saerTo gazeTi
marTalia, amerikis elCi jon basi da
misi
Semcvlelic,
agreTve aSS-s zogierTi maRalCinosanic xSirad gamoTqvamen SeSfoTebas saqarTveloSi Seqmnili antidemokratiuli garemos da am
garemos sulisCamdgmelis mixeil saakaSvilis misamarTiT, magram am SeSf o Te b a - a R S f o Te bas
jerjerobiT
realuri Sedegebi
ar mohyolia _ saakaSvili isev saakaSvilobs, mogelaZe
mogelaZeobs, Jurnalistebs Zveleburad scemen, biZina
ivaniSvilis mxardamWerebs aviwroeben, TviTon batoni
biZinasTvis ki dRemde aravis daubrunebia
saqarTvelos
moqalaqeoba
da,
rogorc Cans, axlo
momavalSi amis gakeTebas arc aravin
apirebs.
Tu imasac gavixsenebT,
rom barak obamasTan vizitis
dros aSS-s prezidentma
araorazrovnad mianiSna mixeil saakaSvils, rom aucilebelia xelisufleba arCevnebis gziT oficialurad
gadabardes, rom saakaSvilmac da saqarTvelomac SeinarCunos regionSi demokratiis flagmanis imiji, TiTqos yvelaferi naTeli da
cxadia _ aSS arCevnebis
gziT xelisuflebis cvlilebisken miuTiTebs saakaSvils da samarTliani, Tavisufali, obieqturi arCevnebis Catarebisken mouwodebs,
Tumca is realuri situacia, rac dRes saqarTveloSi sufevs, absoluturad
sawinaaRmdegos amtkicebs _
saakaSvili arc samarTliani
arCevnebis Catarebas apirebs
da arc Zalauflebis daTmobaze fiqrobs.
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biZina ivaniSvilis da misi koaliciis mier mravaljer, kategoriuli
toniT gacxadebul
principul mosazrebas, rom xelisuflebis Secvlis erTaderT
saSualebad arCevnebi miaCniaT, analitikosebi
da eqspertebi imiT
xsnian, rom ivaniSvili da koalicia angariSs uweven aSS-s
administracias da
cdiloben. misi favoriti saakaSvili,
romelzec amerikeli xalxis uzarmazari Tanxebi daixarja, mSvidobianad, naklebi xmauriT
da naklebi skandaliT CamoaSoron xelisuflebas, riT-
amerikis mxardaWerac kargia da
evrokavSirisac, magram, rogorc
qarTvel xalxs, ise biZina ivaniSvils,
erTmaneTis iqiT gza ar aqvT!..
Tu mis bolodroindel gancxadebebs
guldasmiT mivayuradebT, saakaSvili
ar malavs, rom premier-ministrobisTvis emzadeba da pirdapir iTxovs saqarTvelos mosaxleobisgan, rom 3-4
weli xelisuflebaSi darCenis saSualeba mieces (gaixseneT, wyaltuboSi gakeTebuli gancxadeba...)
mTeli misi bolodroindeli piari _ obieqtebis
gaxsna, lentebis gaWra, lazikis mSenebloba da a.S. mimarTulia erTi miznisken _
aCvenos saqarTvelos mosax-
leobas, rom is premier-ministrobisTvis aris dabadebuli, rom is uniWieresi
meurne, brwyinvale menejeri da organizatoria, romelsac SeuZlia saqarTvelo, qarTuli ekonomika
ramdenime weliwadSi aayvavos.
mkiTxvels isic movagonoT, ra umwvavesi reaqcia
mohyva saakaSvilis da misi
garemocvis mxridan im
ramdenime kritikul SeniSvnas da komentars, romelic aSS-s elCma basma
gaakeTa.
_ amerika Cveni strategiuli partnioria, magram
aravis daaviwydes, rom saqarTvelo suverenuli da
damoukidebeli saxelmwifoa
da Cvens Sinaur saqmeebSi
Carevis uflebas aravis mivcemTo _ boboqrobda boboxiZe, romelic xan saakaSvilis gulis xvaSiads axmovanebs, xan im adamianebs etaneba sacemrad, romelTa galaxva icis, rom saakaSvils
eameba.
asea Tu isea, saakaSvilis
da misi gundis reaqcia aSSs oficialuri elCis misamarTiT ukompromiso da gamomwvevi xasiaTis iyo, rac
kidev erTi dasturia imisa,
rom saakaSvili da nac.moZraoba sulac ar apireben
oqtombris arCevnebSi TviTnebobisa da gayalbebis mravalgzis nacad meTodebze
uaris Tqmas da Zalauflebis daTmobas.
ac, ase vTqvaT, saxe
SeunarCunon aSS-s
romelsac saakaSvilTan mimarTebaSi, roca mas demokratiis Suqurad gvisaxavda, an raRac
SeeSala, an Segnebulad, sakuTari saxelmwifo interesebidan gamomdinare,
wlebis ganmavlobaSi mfarvelobda aSkarad diqtatorul-avtokratiuli
Tvisebebisken midrekil, fsiqiurad
gauwonasworebel
pirovnebas, romelmac ara marto saqarTvelos, aramed
saerTo gazeTi
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amerikis interesebsac seriozuli dartyma miayena Tavisi ukontrolo da
araadeqvaturi qmedebebiT.
biZina ivaniSvils, Tavisi
uzarmazari avtoritetiT,
didi finansuri SesaZleblobebiT, Tavisuflad SeeZlo politikaSi mosvlis
pirvelsave dReebSi mTeli
saqarTvelo gamoeyvana gareT
da saakaSvilis reJimi drois mcire monakveTSi daemTavrebina, magram man es ar
gaakeTa, rac msoflios wamyvani demokratiuli saxelmwifoebis mxridin saTanadod
iqna dafasebulic da Sefasebulic.
swored amis dasturi gaxldaT 18
qveynis elCis stumroba mis rezidenciaSi, rac uprecedento SemTxvevad SeiZleba CaiTvalos _
kerZo pirs, romelmac
jerjerobiT
mxolod politikaSi mosvlis gancxadeba gaakeTa, 18 qveynis elCi saxlSi stumrobdes, iSviaTi
ambavia.
pirvel xanebSi TiTqos
yvelaferi rigze iyo, magram
dro gadioda da am 18 saxelmwifos da maT Soris
aSS-s oficialurad gamJRavnebul mxardaWeras saTanado
Sedegi ar mosdevda _ biZina ivaniSvilisTvis moqalaqeobis dabrunebis sakiTxi,
miuxedavad Tavad ivaniSvilis da misi garemocvis optimisturi ganwyobisa, ver
gadawyda. gagrZelda kontrolis palatis represiebi
ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg, kidev
ufro
gaZlierda
ivaniSvilis mxardamWerTa
devna da Seviwroeba, yvelaferi `es ki `endiais~ da
`airais~ kvlevebma `daagvirgvina~, sadac erT-erTi bolo monacemiT, biZina ivaniSvils giorgi TargamaZem gauswro _ saqarTvelos mosaxleobis 28 procenti,
rogorc
opozicioners,
TargamaZes endoba, ivaniSvils ki mxolod 21 procenti wyalobs Turme...
mTelma saqarTvelom icis
da `rairaim~ rogor ar
icis, rom TargamaZe iseTive
opozicioneria, rogorc `padoSaa~ dalai lama, magram
es xels ar uSlis am seriozul organizacias kidev
erTxel Seayaros nacari saqarTvelos mosaxleobas isedac nacriT savse TvalebSi.
* * *
Zneli dasajerebelia, rom miSa marTlac iseTi magaria, rom aSS-sac ar
epueba da kvlav Tavis Wkuaze apirebs
qveynis marTvasac
da arCevnebis Catarebas.
Zneli dasajerebelia, rom aSS-s
iseTi kvleviTi organizaciebi, rogoric `endiai~ da `airai~ SemTxveviT debdnen aseT gamaognebel Sedegebs da Savis TeTrad warmoCenis tradicias SemTxveviT agrZelebdnen.
kidev ufro Zneli dasajerebelia, rom aSS ver xedavdes da ver amCnevdes, Tu
rogor mkacrdeba isedac mkacri policiuri reJimi saqarTveloSi da rogor vSordebiT demokratiul fa-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.ge
ze
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
seulobebsa da Rirebulebebs.
yovelive amis Semdeg, ratom iqmneba iseTi STabeWdileba, rom aSS mainc ver
eleva Tavis `rCeuls~ da
kvlav jiutad cdilobs saakaSvilisa da misi gundis
xelisuflebaSi datovebas?
swored amas xom ar emsaxureba `endiaisa~ da `airais~ ferad-feradi zRaprebis
tiraJireba da sasurvelis
sinamdviled warmoCenis mcdeloba?
* * *
arsebobs safuZvliani eWvi, rom mavanni da mavanni
dabejiTebiT arwmuneben biZina ivaniSvils, rom mas didi mxardaWera aqvs aSS-s
oficialuri wreebis warmomadgenlebisgan da es mxardaWera aucileblad dadebiTad aisaxeba oqtombris saparlamento arCevnebis Sedegebzec.
Sors varT im azrisgan,
rom es raRac boroti ganzraxviT keTdeba da am adamianebs Segnebulad SehyavT
SecdomaSi biZina ivaniSvili
da qarTveli xalxi.
mizezi martivze martivia
_ am adamianebs surT xazi
gausvan TavianT gansakuTrebul misias da rols da saqme ise warmoaCinon, TiTqos
swored isini arian gamarjvebis erTaderTi garantorebi, Tumca `sinamdvileSi~ maTi zedmeti aqtiuroba da
mudmivad wina planze yofna
ivaniSvilis reitings sasikeTod ar argia _ saqme is
aris, rom qarTveli xalxis
did nawils ar uyvars amerikelebi, rac TviTon amerikelebis farisevluri politikis da am politikasTan
asocirebuli saakaSvilis
didi damsaxurebaa.
Tumca, modiT, am sakiTxis farTo ganxilvisgan
amjerad Tavi SevikavoT da
kvlav im kiTxvas davubrundeT _ uWeren Tu ara amerikelebi mxars ivaniSvils da
ramdenad seriozulia es
mxardaWera?
globalisturi ideologiis mTavari principebis
gaTvaliswinebiT, romlis
mTavari medroSe aSS gaxlavT, amerikelebs ar SeiZleba gulwrfelad moswondeT da uyvardeT biZina ivaniSvili, kaci, romelic
mTeli Tavisi Segnebuli
cxovrebiT, Tavisi filosofiiT, Tavisi msoflmxedvelobrivi koncefciiT qarTuli saxelmwifos aRorZinebasa da mis ganviTarebas
emsaxureba.
amerikelebs ar SeiZleba
uyvardeT kaci, romelic
ityvis, rom bavSvi dedam unda aRzardos, saidanac erTi
nabijia daskvnamde, rom adamiani samSoblom unda aRzardos, rom adamiani, pirvelyovlisa, sakuTar samSoblos unda emsaxuros da
amiT emsaxuros mTel kacobriobas.
ivaniSvili ara, magram amerikelebs, gnebavT, rusebs,
gnebavT, evropelebs SeiZleba uyvardeT da moswondeT
giorgi TargamaZe an `padoSa~ an ako minaSvili, an sulac boco wiklauri...
rogorc Cans, saqarTvelom erTxel
da samudamod unda
gaakeTos erTi umTavresi daskvna _
naklebi yuradReba
unda miaqcos imas,
vis uWers mxars romelime ucxo saxelmwifo da arCevani
amis mixedviT ki
ara, im niSniT unda
gaakeTos, vis uZgers guli saqarTvelosTvis da vin
aris mzad TavganwirvisTvis.
bevrjer iTqva da kidev erTxel gavimeorebTo: am arCevnebSi
biZina ivaniSvilis
damarcxeba mTeli
saqarTvelos
da
TiTeuli
qarTvelis damarcxebas niSnavs. sxvaTaSoris,
im qarTvelis damarcxebasac niSnavs,
romelsac hgonia,
rom ivaniSvilze gamarjvebiT qveyanasac da sakuTar Tavsac did bednierebas
moutans.
giorgi
‹
gamezardaSvili
7
8 saerTo gazeTi
`saerTo gazeTis~ dRevande li stumari qristian-d
demokra tiuli partiis wevri, sakre bulos deputati, istorikosi
jaba samuSiaa....
_ batono jaba, Tqven Cemi
respodenti pirvelad brZande biT da imedi maqvs im Temebze,
romelic dRes qarTul sinamd vileSi gansakuTrebiT aqtua luria, gulaxdilad mesaubre biT...
_ ki, batono, ar aris
problema...
_ Tqveni azriT, bolo er Ti kviris ganmavlobaSi saxe lisuflebo arxebi Sem TxveviT amboben aseT
frazas `saqarTvelos me ore dedaqalaqi~ da ki dev, saakaSvili ase ra tom Cqarobs quTaisi me ore politikur centrad
warmoaCinos?
_ Cemi azriT, es aris
winasaarCevno kampaniis
farglebSi da xelisufleba cdilobs amgvari
manipulirebiT quTaiselTa gulis mogebas, magram
saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba arCevnebidan-arCevnebamde xom ar unda ganisazRvrebodes? dameTanxmeT, rom saxelmwifoebrivi azrovneba ufro metia, vidre arCevnebi da
rodesac Cven vsaubrobT or
dedaqalaqze, or politikur
centrze da a.S. amis analizi
ufro gvWirdeba da ara is, Tu
ra sWirdeba mixeil saakaSvils
arCevnebisTvis! piradad me, am
SemTxvevaSi es naklebad mainteresebs, magram Cven, qristian-demokratebi vTvliT, rom
amdagvari TemebiT manipulireba
araTu Secdomaa, aramed Zalian
saxifaToc! ufro metic, qveynis SigniT ori politikuri
polusis gaCena ar SeiZleba da
miTumetes ar SeiZleba am Temebis gamudmebuli manipulireba! rodesac Cven vsaubrobT meore dedaqalaqis gaCenaze, aq
unda amovideT pirveli biujetiT, meore saxelmwifo interesidan da mesame istoriuli
realobidan da istoriuli
faqtoriT! ai, es samive faqtori miuTiTebs imas, rom aseTi
gadawyvetilebebi sakmaod sensitiuria, imitom, rom rodesac Cven vlaparakobT Tbilisze, rogorc saqarTvelos dedaqalaqis faqtorze, unda vicodeT, rom am SemTxvevaSi da
adrec, Tbilisi mxolod saqarTvelos dedaqalaqi ki ar gaxlavT, aramed kavkasiaSi lideri qalaqis funqcia hqonda
odiTganve da es nurc azerbaijanelebs ewyinebaT da nurc
somxebs! istoria amas gviCvenebs Semdegnairad, rodesac
ruseTi kavkasiaSi mkvidrdeboda da iqmneboda erTgvari kavkasiuri masStabis samefisnacvlo, mefisnacvali ijda TbilisSi! Semdgom Seiqmna da ram-
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
ori politikuri centris
Camoyalibebam SeiZleba
saqarTvelo daSlamde miiyvanos...
denime Tve iarseba, amierkavkasiis federaciulma respublikam da misi centric iyo Tbilisi! rodesac Seiqmna amierkavkasiis seimi, anu kavkasiis
parlamenti, misi centric iyo
Tbilisi, anu me amiT imis xazgasma minda, rom Tbiliss
odiTganve hqonda istoriuli
mniSvneloba kavkasiis masStabiT! axla, rac Seexeba mTeli,
saqarTvelos masStabiT, Tbilisis, rogorc dedaqalaqis
mniSvnelobas...
qalbatono irina, vidre am
Temas mivubrundebi, minda aqve
davamato, rom quTaisis mimarT
me Cemi gansakuTrebuli pativiscema da siyvaruli maqvs. es
aris Cemi piradi, naTesauri
urTierTobebidan dawyebuli,
udavoa, rom quTaisi sufTa
qarTuli qalaqia, Tumca saqarTveloSi mosaxleobis 30-35
procenti araqarTveli mosaxlea, isini, ZiriTadad, aRmosavleT saqarTveloSi arian dasaxlebuli kompaqturad da erTaderTi didi qalaqi, romel
qalaqSic Cans, es interkulturuli garemo aris mxolod
Tbilisi. anu, es mravalerovnuli tradicia Tbiliss yovelTvis hqonda da es iyo erTgvari
mikrosaqarTvelo
Tbilisis
masStabiT _ es erTi mxare! meore es aris Tbilisis mdebareoba, romlis mixedviTac igi ar
ekuTvnis arcerT konkretul
kuTxes da regions! SeiZleba
vinmem Tqvas, rom Tbilisi
ekuTvnis Sida qarTls, magram
mtkvris es zoli, romelic
iwyeba mcxeTasTan da mTavrdeba
daaxloebiT rusTavis mimarTulebiT, erTi konkretuli kuTxis kuTvnileba arasodes ar
yofila da gardamavali zonaa,
anu Tbilisi Tavisi mdebareobiT erTaderTi qalaqia mTlia-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.ge
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
nad saqarTveloSi, romelic
esazRvreba TiTqmis yvela did
qarTul kuTxes. es aris, samxreT saqarTvelo qvemo qarTli,
Sida qarTli, kaxeTis zona, saqarTvelos mTianeTi da a.S. anu,
am SemTxvevaSic geografiuladac Tbiliss gamorCeuli mdebareoba da
funqcia aqvs, gamigeT? ra
Tqma unda ganuzomlad
didi funqcia aqvs quTaiss qarTul sinamdvileSi, magram daakvirdiTm ra
gaakeTa daviT aRmaSenebelma, roca Tbilisi aiRo?
man taxti gadmoitana TbilisSi, radgan xedavda am
qalaqis strategiul daniSnulebas ara mxolod
saqarTvelosTvis, aramed
regionis TvalsazrisiTac
da es yvelaferi qarTuli
saxelmwifos interesebidan iyo gamomdinare!
_ jaba, Zalian sainte resoa finansuri TvalsazrisiT
ramdenad gamarTlebulia par lamentis quTaisSi gadatana?
an Tu aris wlevandeli biuje tidan gamoyofili Tanxebi am
midi-mmodisTvis?
_ saqmec imaSia, rom es Tanxebi biujetSi gaTvaliswinebuli ar aris!! parlamentis quTaisSi gadatana da TbilisSi
mTavrobis datoveba, xom yvelam
viciT, rom gamoiwvevs damatebiT xarjebs? Cveni gaangariSebiT, mTeli am infrastruqturis gadatana daaxloebiT 140
milionamde jdeba da Tu vinicobaa, mTavrobis infrastruqturis quTaisSi ar gadaitanen,
xarjebi ufro gaizrdeba, radgan parlamenti da mTavroba
yvelaze ufro harmoniulad
Tanaarseboben erTmaneTTan da
erTmaneTTan mivlinebebis reJimSi urTierToba, xom warmogidgeniaT, ra Tanxebze ava?
_ ori politikuri centris
arsebobs qveynisaTvis SesaZloa
damRupveli gamodges! Zalian
mdidar qveynebs evropaSi Tuki
meore didi qalaqis ekonomikurad wamoweva undaT, parlamen ti ki ar gadaaqvT iq?
_ msoflioSi, TiTze CamosaTvlelia is qveynebi, sadac
dedaqalaqis funqcia aqvs or
qalaqs, magaliTad, amerikaSi
aseTia vaSingtoni da niu-iorki, niderlandebSi amsterdami
da haaga, magram saqarTvelos
SemTxvevaSi ori politikuri
centris gamoCenam istoriulad Zalian cudi Sedegebi moitana da qveyana daSlamde miiyvana! anu amiT me imis xazgasma minda, rom politikuri
centrebis ase gadanawileba
aris danaSauli da ar SeiZleba! SeiZleba quTaisi ekonomikurad daawinauro, gacilebiT
meti investicia gauSva am qalaqSi da es TavisTavad Zalian kargi iqneba, magram quTaiss, meore politikuri centris politikuri elferi ar
unda SesZinon! ori Tanabari
rangis politikuri centris
arseboba, vimeoreb Zalian cudia, magram Tuki xelisuflebas eyofa gambedaoba, unda
Tqvas, rom Tbilisi amdagvari
midgomebiT dakargavs Tavis
dedaqalaqobas!
_ jaba, ase haiharad, viRa cis neba-ssurvilebiT unda xde bodes dedaqalaqebis gadatanagadmotanis sakiTxebi? sazoga doeba ar unda monawileobdes
am sakiTxebis gadawyvetaSi?
_ai, swored eg aris qristian-demokratebis pozicia am
sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT. pirdapir geubnebiT, araTu prezidentis, aramed arc erTi politikuri partiis gadasawyveti ar
aris dedaqalaqebis ase gadatana-gadmotanis sakiTxi. es unda
gadawyvitos sazogadoebam, saqarTvelos yvela kuTxeSi
mcxovrebma adamianebma, radgan
dedaqalaqi ara mxolod quTaTurebis anda Tbiliselebis
aris, aramed sruliad saqarTvelosia da maT aucileblad
unda hkiTxon, sad moiazreben
isini qveynis politikur centrs, gamigeT?
_ e.i. wminda sareferendu mo Temaa da vin misca ufleba
nac. moZraobas, Tundac Cems ma givrad gadawyvitos Tbilisi
iqneba dedaqalaqi, quTaisi, ba Tumi Tu soxumi?
rom perspeqtiviT Cven, Zalian
savalalo da uaryofiTi Sedegebi SeiZleba miviRoT, radgan
Tbilisi swored im regionebs
esazRvreba, sadac kompaqturad
araqarTveli mosaxleobaa dasaxlebuli! bunebrivia, es Temac gasaTvaliswinebelia, radgan Cveni moqalaqeebis am nawilmac unda igrZnos, rom qarTuli saxelmwifos nawili arian da ai, am politikis ZiriTadi gamtarebeli aRmosavleT
saqarTveloSi, am SemTxvevaSic
aris Tbilisi! metic, swored
Tbilisma aCvena mTel sazogadoebas is Tu, rogor SeiZleba azerbaijaneli da somexi
erovnebis adamianebis erT quCaSi mSvidobianad Tanacxovreba
maSin, roca am or ers Soris
omi mimdinareobda...
_ absoluturad geTanxme biT, magram ramdenime dRis win
jer kidev TbilisSi, parlamen tis Senobis win swored am
ori erovnebis axalgazrdebma
moiyares Tavi da situaciis
daZabvas araferi aklda...
_ iciT, ra? politikuri
elitis Tbilisidan gasvlis
SemTxvevaSi, am Temebma SeiZleba
Zalian
cudad
imuSao s !
_ ra Tqma unda,
referendumiT unda gadawydes, amas rad unda laparaki? me, rogorc rigiTi moqalaqe, Cems pozicias davafiqsireb,
sxva _ Tavisas, magram ase meyseulad, ase 150 kacis gadawyvetilebiT da ase erTi xelis
dakvriT dedaqalaqebis gadatana-gadmotanebi ar SeiZleba! me
xazgasmiT minda aRvniSno, rom
TviT vaxtang gorgasalmac ki,
roca man mcxeTidan TbilisSi
gadmoitana dedaqalaqi, ver
SesZlo, am reformis bolomde
gatareba imitom, rom TiTqmis
erTi saukune dasWirda am process. istoriuli wyaroebi
gvamcnoben, rom `mcxeTa icleboda da Tbilisi Zlierdebodao~.
_ arada mcxeTa da Tbilisi
erTmaneTTan erT mtkavelze
arian, roca quTaisamde aqedan
karga didi manZilia.
_ rasakvirvelia... saqme imaSic aris, rom saxelmwifoebrivad ra perspeqtiva aqvs am
nabijs? Tu aqedan amovdivarT,
maSin Cven aucileblad unda
gvqondes gaTvlili wlebis
Semdeg ra procesebi SeiZleba
ganviTardes? ar dagvaviwydes,
a m i tom vambob, rom saxelmwifo interesebidan gamomdinare unda iyos xelisuflebis mxridan gadadgmuli, nebismieri nabiji-Tqo, gamigeT?
_ iciT ra mgonia? rom sa akaSvils quTaisSi parlamen tis gadatana viRac gare Zalam
ukarnaxa da es kidev, rogorc
yovelTvis, marionetiviT emor Cileba.
_ modiT, ase vTqvaT, ra?
ras aZlevs quTaiss parlamentis am qalaqSi gadatana? maqsimum 1500 kacs, romelic iq Cava da dasaqmdeba, anu 1500 samuSao adgils, xom? am 1500 kacidan naxevari, SeiZleba arc ki
iyos quTaiseli, radgan xSir
SemTxvevaSi ase xdeba! Cemi azriT, ufro upriani iqneboda,
quTaiss dabruneboda is saganmanaTleblo funqcia, rad odiTganve hqonda da igi gveqcia sauniversiteto qalaqad! me geubnebiT _ arafris momcemi ar
aris iq parlamentis gadatana,
arafris momcemi ar aris!
irine gogosaSvili
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
saerTo gazeTi
ar vici, sxvas ra gancdebi
aqvs, magram qarTuli e.w. politikis Semxedvares, gamogitydebiT da didad optimisturi ganwyobebi ara maqvs, metic, Sinaganad raRac sagangaSos moaxloebas vgrZnob, ai, rusebi rom ityvian, `vnutrenaia trevogao~,
iseTs da Cemda gasakvirad, aseTi
gancdebi Turme ara mxolod me,
aramed Cems samegobrosa da samezoblosac hqonia...
saakovma dagvibara...
yvela ubedurebasTan erTad
guSinwin eqvsamde balis simZlavris miwisZvrac moxda da aRmosavleT saqarTveloSi es biZgebi Turme iseTi sixSiriT ganmeorda, kaxelebs hgonebiaT, ramdenime wuTSi saxlebi Tavze Camogveqcevao.
ra magis pasuxia da 2003
wlis Semdeg nac. moZraobam iseT
politikur Tu socialur ryevebs migvaCvia, rom erTgvarad
imunitetic ki gamogvimuSavda da
wyaldidobebs, miwisZvrebs, qariSxlebsa Tu sxva stiqiur movlenebs, gulgrilad SevyurebT
da viTomc araferi momxdara,
gularxeinad ganvagrZobT cxovrebas.
ai, safrangeTSi ki sul
sxvagvarad xdeba da nikola sarkozisaTvis 6 maisis Rame da 7
maisis dila, marTlac stiqiuri
movlenis tolfasi iyo, roca is
memarcxene fransua olandma meore turSi damaarcxa da safrangeTi `sarkozis sarkomisgan~ gaanTavisufla! ra gvacinebs, magram sarkozis marcxisgan cxvirpiri CamostirodaT da safrangeTSi saqarTvelos elCi romaa
kudava, imas xom dana pirs ar
uxsnida, iseTi mgloviare iyo da
ar aris es sasacilo?
ruseTSi ki, 10 milionian
moskovSi mxolod naxevari milioni rusi gamovida putinis
winaaRmdeg protestis dasafiq-
sireblad, rac imaze mianiSnebs,
rom SiSi oxeri ramea da rusebsac ise SehyriaT, rogorc Cven
saakaSvilis Semxedvares! Cven ki
arada, miSas Semxedvare, nikoloz saakaSvilis (miSas biologiuri mama) meuRle gardacvlila, anu miSas dedinacvali da
rogorc TviTmxilvelma miambo _
es Cveni `eris imedi~ samZimarze
iseT `formaSi~ misula, sanaTesaos ukiTxavs: ra gWirs, ra feri gadevs, xom janmrTelad xaro?
sxvaTaSoris, miSa saakaSvilis ucnaur, arabunebriv saxis
ferze kaxelebmac miambes erTi
istoria, ufro sworad ki winandalSi 600 kacian pur-marilze,
rogori momakvdavis mixra-moxvriT, TiTqmis molurjo-moSavo
saxis feriT gamocxadebula saakaSvili. albaT, yvelas mogexsenebaT, rom WavWavaZianT sasaxleSi didi sarestavracio samuSaoebi Sesrulda da amis aRsaniSnavad, mTeli kaxeTis `maRal Rubernatoroba~ kulturis saministro da nac. moZraobis bulbul-iadonebic, winandalSi Sekrebilan `TiTo Wiqis asawevad~
da ganaxlebuli Weris dasalo-
cad. rogorc miambes, pur-marili 600 kacze iyo gaSlili, Citis rZe ar aklda sufras, magram stumrebis nawils, ver mouxerxebia misvla da maqsimum 300
kaci misjdomia `simwriT naSovn~
xorags. saakaSvilic gamoCenila,
magram vai, im gamoCenas _ Turme
uazrod iRriWeboda, Tvalebi
Tevzisas miugavda, aTas sisuleles roSavda da arigebda xan _
marcxniv da xan _ marjvniv, magram saxeze Turme iseTi Semzaravi feri edo, TviT `nacebsac~
aRuniSnavT Cumad _`vaime, naxe
ra sWirso!~
am Cems axlobels `prezidentisTvis~ Tvali ver mouwyvetia
da Turme daJinebiT, ase 5 wuTis
ganmavlobaSi Sescqeroda, magram
eg araferi miSas dacvas aseTi
`miStereba~ Tvalidan ar gamoparvia da ise gamouxedavT am Cemi axloblisTvis, sawyals mada
dakargvia da sul male
sufridanac wamosula _
raRac vera var kargado.
am Cemma axlobelma TbilisSi
CamosvlisTanave
damireka da miTxra: `ici,
adamianurad Semecoda eg
ubeduri, vfiqrob, didxans veRar icocxlebs
iseTi Sav-lurji saxis
feri aqvs, Tanac xom ici,
erTi nerwyvi rom gadascdes, wasulia magis saqme,
xelSi Caakvdeba sakuTar
dacvas da raRa dagimalo,
rogorc adamiani, Zalian
mecodebao~.
_ ra sWirs Seni Sesacodi, Se marTla ubeduro, an nerwyvis gadacdoma ras niSnavs, ver migixvdi? _ SevekiTxe me.
_ `gogo, kokainze
vinc zis, egre emarTebaT,
laparakis dros Zalian
saSiSia dorblebis yra,
radgan Tu gadascdaT, mere veRar sunTqaven da ixrCobiano.
ise, miSa jer egeTi mSvidi ar
minaxavs, ganabuli Semovida da
ganabuli ijda, marto suleliviT ikriWeboda, Torem yvirili,
xmamaRali laparaki da egeTi raRacebi rom icis, im dRes msgavsi araferi yofila. etyoba icis
kokainis veragi siurprizebi da
amitom iyo mSvidado~.
_ sxva ra xdeboda Telav-w
winandalSi, ar metyvi?
_ ra moxda da vitia tomasianis mama daiRupa sawyali...
_ eg romelia, vicnobdi?
_ dutas babua qalo, ram gamogaStera?
_ duta sxirtlaZis?
_ ho, duta tomasianis,
sxirtlaZe mere gaxda, hoda dutas mamis, vitias mama gardaicvala da dakrZalvaze 25-30 kacis
garda aravin misula...
_ sawyali vitiac xom mokvda, kargi biWi iyo is ubeduri,
magram ra ubedurebaa dakrZalvaze miusvleloba gamoSterdiT
Telavelebi?
_ momismine kargad? jer erTi dutam Tavis Tavs daabralos
aq rom aRar uyvarT da meorec,
vinmes gaagebines kaci rom mokv-
da? dakrZalvaze 15-20 kaci TviTon tomasianebi iyvnen, erTiori dutas Tbiliseli Zmakaci
da danarCenebi kide axlo samezoblo. ici, raSia saqme? dutam
Telavis Teatri faqtiurad, daangria, msaxiobebi erTmaneTs wakida, bevri adamiani samsaxuridan
gaaTavisufla da ratomRac unda
scen pativi? magis dedis mSoblebi dodika sxirtlaZe da bebia
Tina burbuTaSvili am TeatrSi
cxovrobdnen da albaT, axla
saflavSi trialeben, magaTi SviliSvili ase rom iqceva!
ise, erTi, yurSi sayureRa
aklda da egec gairWo am masxaram! Telavelebi emuqrebian Zalian, vnaxoT, SeiZleba erTi-orma aliyurma Wkuaze moiyvanos,
ra ici? paata guliaSvilis mama,
Teatris msaxiobi ra, dutas saqcielma ar mokla? zogadad ki
Telavelebs rom `nacebi~ da misi `Spana~ gulze ar exatebaT,
axali ambavi ar aris da aq rom
egdo saakaSvili, moedanze marto avtobusebiT moyvanili xalxi idga.
_ ivaniSvilis politikaSi
gamoCenaze ras amboben?
_ ra vici, aba? gulaxdilad
rom giTxra, magis ofisTan me
bevri xalxi arasodes daminaxavs da CvenSi rom
darCes, arc ofisis SigniT moTavsebuli xalxisgan gvigvrZnia didi aqtiuroba da gamarjvebis
survili! ra, vici, aba?
Tu ginda, dawere eg ambebi, iqneb daucacxanos Tavisianebs da raRac aamoZraos, Torem nametani panaSvidia kaxeTSi da xom
unda damTavrdes es ubedureba?
maS ase, Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo!
saakaSvilis erevnulma
xelisuflebam, rogorc
SeityveT ereklesdroindel Telavis Teatrs duta tomasianis (sxirtlaZis) xeliT ganaCeni gamoutana da rodis daxuraven am udidesi kulturis
centrs TelavSi da rodis gayidian am Senobas,
aravin icis!
ise ki, arc iqneba gasakviri,
radgan mefe erekles samefo rezidenciis Senoba amas winaT iranelebs Caugdes xelSi (sparselebs) restavraciis motiviT da
`nacebs~ Teatris Senoba daenanebaT?
irine gogosaSvili
fiqriukas fiqrebi _ damoukidebeli viqnebi!
_ `axalma memarjveneebma~ gadavwyviteT, amjerad
damoukideblad vibrZoloT
saparlamento arCevnebSi gamarjvebisTvis _ ganacxada
fiqria CixraZem, romelic
rac Tavi maxsovs sul aseTia _ axalgazrda, damajereblad mosaubre, cota romantiuli
SeferilobiT
metyvelebiT, romelic mamal tyuilsac ki ise miamiturad da sayvarlad ityvis, rom karga xans SeiZleba es tyuili simarTle gegonos.
rac Tavi maxsovs, sul
aseTia qalbatoni fiqria _
sul axalgazrdaa, arada,
xsovniT sakmaod didi xania
rac maxsovs, jer kidev im
droidan zviad gamsaxurdias CauSeskus rom eZaxda, mere SevardnaZes rom uCliqavda enas da
edo babuo, rom wauRuRunebda
xolme, iqidan.
didi dro gavida im droidan, Tumca qalbatoni fiqria
jer kidev imdenad axalgazrdaa,
rom qalbatonis daZaxeba merideba.
hoda, am marad axalgazrda fiqriukam gasul kviras
morigi sensaciuri gancxadeba gaakeTa _ damoukideblad
gavdivarT brZolis velze
da metoqeebs sul bdRviri
unda vadinoTo.
fiqriukas am istoriul
gancxadebamde cota xniT adre misma liderma, eqimma,
biznesmenma, mewarmem da politikosma daviT gamyreliZem brZana: am saparlamento
arCevnebSi Cemi partia parlamentSi Tu ar Seviyvane,
dakavebuli Tanamdebobidan
gadavdgebio.
vaa, gadamreven es `axali
memarjveneebi~ _ mxardamWerebi amaT ar hyavT, reitingi amaT ar aqvT, Tu davujerebT, fulic ar aqvT da arCevnebSi gamarjvebas da parlamentSi Sesvlas rogor apireben, kaco?!
rogor apireben da biZina
ivaniSvilis lanZRvis xarjze!
axla mTavari koziri esaa _
Tu biZina ivaniSvils sistematurad galanZRav, nacmoZraobam SeiZleba zurgze wamogikidos an
jibeSi Cagisvas da parlamentSic
Segaparos.
swored amis imedi aqvT `axlebs~, sxva aranairi resursi
amaT ar gaaCniaT, ise, rogorc
ar gaaCniaT sxva `damoukidebel~`opoziciur~ partiebs.
SeiZleba biZina ivaniSvili,
rogorc politikosi, raRaciT
ar mogwondes, SeiZleba mxars ar
uWerde, magram qarTvelma kacma,
Tu is marTla qarTvelia da
mTlad sindisgarecxili ar aris, rogor SeiZleba ar dainaxos
is uamravi sikeTe, rac am adamians saqarTvelosTvis gaukeTebia?
umadurobas da unamusobasac
xom aqvs sazRvari?
wina saparlamento arCevnebSi, roca 25 deputati ar Sevida parlamentSi, amboben, rom
am `SesaniSnavi ideis~ avtori
daviT gamyreliZe iyoo, romelmac moralur-zneobrivi normebis erTgulebiT axsna am gadawyvetilebis miRebis aucilebloba.
am dros, rogorc amboben,
swored axlebis ofisSi miitanes is lurji CanTa, sadac `arSemsvlelebisTvis~ gankuTvnili
3 milioni iyo `CapaWkuli~...
sul bolos `axlebma~ `qdm~sTan erTad saarCevno garemos
SecvlasTan dakavSirebuli grZelvadiani debatebis finalSi
kvlav `nacmoZraobas~ gaugores
koWi da saTanado honoraric da
amomrCevelTa siebis daTvlisa
da gadamowmebis Tavkacobis pativic maT erT-erT liders mamuka kacitaZes ergo.
esaa Tqveni damoukidebloba,
qalbatono fiqria da ase apirebT Tqven amomrCevelTa gulis
mogebas?
nino vereli
9
10 saerTo gazeTi
araerTxel dawerili kulturuli memkvidreobis TemasTan kidev erTxel Sexeba aw
gardacvlili mecnierisa da
sazogado moRvawis, guram SaraZis meuRlis werilma mibiZga, romelic qalbatonma svetlanam (batoni guramis meuRlem) Cemi mSoblebis saxlSi
miitana. misive nebarTviT, gTavazobT werilis teqsts, saidanac kidev erTxel dasturdeba Cemica da bevris azric,
rom guram SaraZis mkvleloba
muzeumis saganZuris gatanas Tan pirdapir kavSirSia da xelisufleba marTlac eweva
qarTveli eris kulturuli
memkvidreobis gayidvasa da ganiavebas.
GmarTalia, guram SaraZis mimarT sazogadoebas araerTgvarovani damokidebuleba
gaaCnda _ zogisTvis (specialurad Seqmnili imijiT) destruqciuli, marginaluri, zogisTvis erovnuli pirovneba,
zogi uSiSroebasTan mis kavSirzec ki bedavda saubars. piradad me, mas, rogorc mecniers, qarTuli saqmisTvis mebrZol mecniersa da uSiSar pirovnebas vicnobdi da faqtia,
rom guram SaraZe mokles sastikad da sxvebisTvis samagaliTod, radgan aravin aRar gabedos im sakiTxTan Sexeba, romelSic “cxviri qarTvelebma
ar unda CavyoT”. anu marTlmadidebluri siwmindeebis TemasTan mimarTebaSi marTlmadideblobisa da qarTulierovnuli
faseulobebis mteri ki farisevel mwignobarTa masonurmondealisturi struqturebi
da “viTom demokratiaze” mosaubre politikosebi da viTom
sazogado moRvaweebi rom arian, esec xom viciT. swored
guram SaraZis saxels ukavSirdeba ilia WavWavaZisa da akaki
wereTlis cxovrebaze gamoqveynebuli samecniero naSromebisa da muzeumis siwmindeebis
gatanis Tema. mis odiozur da
destruqciul pirovnebad Seracxva ki “im operidan” aris,
romelic cnobil alen dalesis doqtrinas ekuTvnis: “saxelmwifos marTvaSi davamya rebT qaossa da areulobas,
Cvens momxreebs SevuqmniT yve lanair yalb avtoritets, farulad, magram aqtiurad wava xalisebT CinovnikTa siregvnes.
patiosnebasa da wesierebas. ise
gvaTaxsirebT, rom isini aravis
dasWirdeba da gadmonaSTad iqceva. davnergavT Tavxedobas,
matyuarobas, loTobasa da
narkomanias, cxovelur SiSs
erTmaneTis mimarT, nacionalizmsa da xalxTa Soris
mrtobas. . . yvelaferi es ay vavdeba aSkarad, magram cotani
Tu mixvdebian, ra xdeba, vinc
mixvdeba, CavayenebT umweo
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
`Tu momklaven, davisveneb,
aseT saqarTveloSi
cxovreba me ar SemiZlia!~
mdgomareobaSi, gavxdiT sasa cilos, cils davwamebT da sazogadoebis mtrad gamovacxadebT”. erovnuli saqmisTvis
mebrZol adamianTa “umweo
mdgomareobaSi Casayeneblad”,
“dalesis doqtrinis” mixedviT, pirovnebaTa marginalizacia da maTi destruqciulad
Seracxva gamoiyeneba. swored
am meTods iyenebdnen da aseT
marginalizacias hqonda adgili guram SaraZis mimarTac.
qalbatoni svetlanas werili ase iwyeba: “qalbatono baia! 2012 wlis 8 Tebervals
“saerTo gazeTSi wavikiTxe
Tqveni werili _ “vin Zarcvavas saqarTvelos erovnul saganZurs... minda didi madloba
gadagixadoT Cemi meuRlis, guram SaraZis xsenebisTvis, vinaidan me da Cemi ojaxi am bednierebas moklebuli varT. garda ramdenime gamonaklisisa,
mag. mama basilisa da erTiori adamianis garda mas aravin
axsenebs. Tqvenma werilma mibiZga imisken, rom mogaxsenoT
Semdegi: Cemi pirmSo Svili
laSa SaraZe daibada 1965 wlis 12 maiss. es dRe gaxlavT
wm. andria pirvelwodebulis
xsenebis dRe. me da Cemi meuRle bednieri adamianebi viyaviT
am dRes manam, sanam ukeTurma
Cemi Svili Cumad, miparviT,
qurdulad ar gamoasalma sicocxles. amis Semdeg, yovel
12 maiss wminda didmowame panteleimonis (mkurnalis) taZarSi vixdidiT SekveTil wirvas da panaSvids. ase iyo 2007
wlis 12 maissac. wirvis Semdeg Cven da Cveni axloblebi
SevikribeT sasaflaoze. gurams viRacam daureka da Tur -
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.ge
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
ze
me sTxova saswrafod Sexvedra
universitetis pirvel korpusTan. vinaidan me ori yavarjniT davdiodi (2000 wlis 10
marts Cemi saxlis win WavWavaZis prospeqtze damejaxa Tu
damajaxes manqana, dRemde gaurkvevelia) ar damtova sasaflaoze da bavSvebTan erTad
saxlSi wamomiyvana. naxevar saaTSi mobrunda da bavSvebma ka-
RacebTan, magram aRarafers azri rom ar hqonda, gavCerdi.
erTma qarTvelma “raindma”,
“vaJkacma” da “demokratma”
biWma damireka am gamwarebul
adamians da ase miTxra: “qalo,
Sen saqme dageliao. Tu waiRes,
isev ukan Camoitaneno (ise ixa ros misma STamomavalma). sul
vafrTxilebdi Cems meuRles
(Tu gnebavT, damZraxeT) “guri,
ri rom gauRes, xelSi SerCaT
babu, romelic cxare cremlebiT tiroda . Sevida Tavis
oTaxSi pirjvris weriT, dakocna dedamisis da laSas suraTebi. mere momibirunda da
miTxra: ”axla Sevxvdi erT
kacs, romelmac miTxra Tu ro gor gaiyida qarTuli ganZi.
greg gurovi xom CaZaRlda (a variaSi daiRupa), axla Camo dis misi Zma da mas miaqvs qar Tuli siwmindeebio. sicocx lis fasadac rom damijdes, ar
gavatano”. aki, daujda kidec.
am ubedurebidan erT kviraSi,
20 maiss, guram SaraZe mokles .
dakrZalvidan erT kviraSi Tu
aT dReSi, CvenTan dareka vi Rac qalbatonma tiriliT:
_“ganZi waiReso”. vis mivmarToT, batoni gurami rom aRar
gvyavso”. ki davreke viRac-vi-
gaCerdi, Torem mogklaven,
tyvias gesvrian-mmeTqi. mere
rao, Tu tyvias mesvrian, da visveneb. me aseT saqarTveloSi
sicocxele
ar
mindao.
Aadamiani erTxel ibadeba da
erTxel kvdebao. waval da Cems
laSikosTan davwvebio”. RmerTia mowame, ramdeni SemoTavazebebi hqonda: mTeli ojaxiT
(aTi suli) hpirdebodnen amerikaSi dasaxlebas, saukeTeso
binebs, maRal xelfasebs, bavSvebisTvis swavla-ganaTlebis
micemas da sxva sikeTeebs (Tu
CavTvliT yovelive amas sikeTed.) piradad me mosveneba ar
mqonda: Tu telefonze rekviT
(bevrjer gineba da muqara ar
damklebia), Tu sadarbazosTan
daxvedriT, nacnob-megobrebis
mogzavniT, magram arc me, arc
Cems meuRlesa da arc Cemi
ojaxis wevrebs erTi wuTiTac
ar gvifiqria dagvetovebina
Cveni ubeduri qveyana, Cveni salocavi miwa-wyali, Cveni saficari saflavebi, Cveni sawyali,
magram mainc gautexeli da
vaJkaci qarTveli xalxi. bedis
ironiiT, dRes Cemi ojaxis
ramdenime wevri emigrantia, ra
Tqma unda, droebiT. Cems
sawyalsa da gaubedurebul qaliSvils, rusudan SaraZes Seicariis mTavrobam politikuri TavSesafari misca qmarSvilTan erTad. qristiani adamiani, rac ar unda gamwarebuli iyos am gautanelsa da
ubedur wuTisofelSi, Tavs
ver iklavs. mec var cocxali.
velodebi, rodis inebebs ufali Cemi sulis SeerTebas Cemi
sayvareli da saficari adamianebis sulebTan. didxans vyoymanobdi SemewuxebineT Tu ara,
magram mere vifiqre, bolos da
bolos Svilad mekuTvnis da
ar damZraxavs_ meTqi. pativiscemiT, s. gaxaria-SaraZe. 28/3.
2012 weli”. qalbatoni svetlanas msgavsad, mec makvirvebs
politikosTagan ratom aravin
aRar axsenebs an
guram SaraZis mkvlelobas,
an
erovnuli saganZurisa da kulturuli memkvirdeobis gatanis irgvliv bneliT mocul mocul Temas?
qarTveli
xalxisa da erisTvis, politikosTa xelisuflebaSi mosvlaze mniSvnelovani
da
mtkivneuli swored misi kulturuli memkvidreobis gatanis sakiTxia da ara is,
romeli politikosi ra procentiT mova xelisuflebasa da parlamentSi. gvaxsovdes, rom dakargul-gayidul saganZurze
pasuxismgebelni xelisuflebasTan erTad Tanabrad viqnebiT Cvenc, sazogadoebis is nawilic, romelic am Temaze saubars moerida da gaCumda da
amas mxolod “nacionalebsac”
veRar gadavabralebT!
me ki imiT davasruleb, riTic daviwye _ batoni guram
SarZis TemiT. guram SaraZis
Temis tabuireba, rogorc sazogadoebis, politikosebis,
ise televiziebis mxridan, didi unamusoba da uzneobaa. adamiani im erovnul saganZuris,
siwmindeebisa da kulturuli
memkvidreobisTvis
brZolas
Seewira, romelze xmis amoRebasac mxolod sakuTari usafrTxoebisa da keTildReobis
gamo bevri dResac ver bedavs.
baia amaSukeli
saerTo gazeTi 11
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
kanonieri qurdebis TemiT,
albaT, arc davinteresdebodiT,
rom ara dRevandeli xelisuflebis da maT Soris prezidentad wodebuli mixeil saakaSvilis am samyarosTan, rbilad rom
vTqvaT, gaurkveveli urTierTobis Sesaxeb arsebuli informaciebi. moarul xmebs Tu davujerebT, saakaSvili maTi didi
xelSewyobiT movida jer SevardnaZis xelisuflebaSi, xolo
Semdeg prezidentic ki gaxda.
`Sav samyarosTan~ sakmaod Tbili urTierToba saakaSvilis winamorbed eduard SevardnaZesac
rom hqonda, amis Sesaxeb araerTxel mogvismenia. rogorc Cans,
SevardnaZes arc komunistebis
periodSi hqonia maTTan cudi
urTierToba. am yvelafris Sesaxeb informacia `saerTo gazeTs~
kargad informirebulma sando
wyarom miawoda. misive usafrTxoebidan gamomdinare, Cveni
respondentis vinaobis gamxelisgan Tavs SevikavebT.
wyaros informaciiT, qurduli ideologiis gamococxleba
yofil ssrk-Si 70-ian wlebSi
dawyebula, rodesac qurduli
sazogadoebebi iatakqveSeTidan
masobrivad gamovidnen. 70-iani
wlebis bolodan da 80-iani
wlebis dasawyisidan Crdilovanma ekonomikam arnaxuli tempiTa
da masStabebiT iwyo ganviTareba,
ris paraleluradac kanonieri
qurdebi kaliebiviT moedvnen
qveyanas da maSindeli Sss-s e.w.
obxss-is TanamSromlebTan erTad inawilebdnen `uSromeli~
Semosavlebidan garkveul wilebs.
1979 wels
qalaq kislovodskSi Sexvedra Sedga maSindeli Crdilovani ekonomikis warmomadgenlebs, e.w. cexavikebsa da
`kanonier qurdebs~ Soris, sadac kriminalebma Crdilovani
ekonomikis `mamebs~ qurduli
`obSiagis~ Sesavsebad Semosavlis 10% mosTxoves. 1982 wels
ki TbilisSi Sedga didi qurduli `sxodka~ imdroindeli avtoritetis jaba ioselianis
xelmZRvanelobiT, sadac man Sokismomgvreli winadadeba Seitana
- momxdariyo qurduli sazogadoebis transformacia, anu qurdebis monawileoba gazrdiliyo
qveynis ekonomikur da politikur cxovrebaSi. gamodis, sabWoTa mTavroba marTalia araoficialurad, magram mainc aRiarebda
`kanonieri qurdebis~ kanonierebas. im droisTvis ssrk-Si daaxloebiT. 52-mde kanonieri qurdi
iyo. realurad kanonieri qurdebis politikaSi CarTva moxda
`perestroikis~ gamocxadebisTanave, rodesac saxelmwifo uSiSroebis komitetSi (suk-i) Seiqmna organizebul danaSaulTan
brZolis danayofi, romelsac masiuri Seteva unda ganexorcielebina `kanonieri qurdebis~
ordenze, Tumca es danayofi Tavad Caudga oficialurad kriminalebs saTaveSi da maT saxelmwifoebrivi funqciac daakisra.
saqme iqamdec ki mivida, rom Zalovani struqturebi prestiJul da saxelian kriminalebs
`pativs~ scemda da ar awuxebda,
radgan icodnen, rom maT ukan
Zalze maRalCiniani da gavleniani personebi idgnen. Zalian originaluri damokidebuleba Camoyalibebula maSindel miliciasa
da kanonier qurdebs Soris, isini Turme arasdros uSlidnen
erTmaneTs nervebs, ufro metic,
erTmaneTs exmarebodnen. kerZod,
milicia masTan misul qurdebs
saqmeebs `uwyobda~, cxadia, soliduri gasamrjelos fasad,
xolo qurdebi samarTaldamcavebs exmarebodnen prestiJuli
gauxsneli saqmeebis gaxsnaSi da
qurdebis winaaRmdeg mimdinare
kampaniebis dros arasasurveli
qurdebis `CaZirvaSi~.
mogexsenebaT, mada WamaSi modis da 80-iani wlebis bolos
erT-erT qurdul `sxodkaze~ gadawyda, rom xelisuflebaSi `CaenergaT~ TavianTi warmomadgenlebi. kandidatebi mkacrad iyvnen
SerCeulni da, Sesabamisad, maTi
vinaobac gasaidumloebuli, romlebic SemdgomSi sazRvargareTis prestiJul saswavleblebSi
gaagzavnes. swavlis damTavrebis
rebulad swored saqarTveloSi
yvaoda. erTi periodi qurdul
ordens saqarTveloSi daundobeli brZolac ki gamoucxades,
magram amas ufro kampaniuri xasiaTi hqonda, Tanac mosaxleoba
mas sadamsjelo operaciad ufro aRiqvamda, amitomac aRniSnulma didi veraferi Sedegi moitana.
SevardnaZis xelisuflebaSi
xelmeored mosvliT msoflio
politikaSic axali epoqa daiwyo, kerZod, es iyo ruseTis
gavlenis Sesusteba yofili mokavSire qveynebis teritoriaze.
unda iTqvas, SevardnaZem am misias Tavi brwyinvaled gaarTva,
radgan man sxvadasxva xrikebiT
`kanonieri qurdebi~ da
kriminaluri samyaros
danamatad qceuli xelisufleba
Semdeg es kandidatebi sargeblobdnen, rogorc `obSiagis~
fuliT, ise qurduli kavSirebiT. amitomac maT Tavbrudamxvevi kariera hqondaT. ramdeni aseTi `kandidatia~ dRes Tundac
saqarTvelos xelisuflebaSi,
aravin icis da albaT, verc gavigebT. aqve unda aRiniSnos
isic, rom erT-erTi informaciiT
saqarTvelos dRevandeli e.w. prezidenti mixeil saakaSvili
swored `kanoneri qurdis~, jaba ioselianis
dafinansebiT cxovrobda da swavlobda amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi.
Crdilovani ekonomikis aseTma zrdam da am niadagze `kanonieri qurdebis~ raodenobis arnaxulma matebam suks SesaZlebloba daukarga isini ekontrolebina. im periodSi marto suks
ki ara, miliciasac hyavda Tavis
kontrolqveS myofi `kanonieri
qurdebi~, Tumca ufro prestiJulad sukis qurdebi iTvlebodnen, radgan narkotikebis
tranzits, Crdilovani ekonomikis qvemodan marTvas da qveynis
politikaSi Carevas isini axorcielebdnen. marTalia, im periodis ssrk-Si erovnulma moZraobam gansakuTrebulad warmatebuli starti saqarTveloSi aiRo,
magram amave dros narkotranziti, Crdilovani ekonomika da
qurduli ideologiac gansakuT-
ase vTqvaT, miaZina rusuli ambicia da farTod gauRo kari dasavleTur civilizacias. ruseTi
amas mxolod `vardebis revoluciis~ Semdeg mixvda, magram ukve
gvian iyo, radgan man aramarto
saqarTveloSi, aramed mTel amierkavkasiaSi waago brZola. es
wageba ki misTvis savalalo aRmoCndeboda, radgan igi zegavlenas evropazec dakargavda, rac
sabolood, misi, rogorc msoflio elitis qveynis ganadgurebas gamoiwvevda. swored amitom
ruseTma Cveul meTods mimarTa,
daiwyo Zalismieri berketebis
gamoyeneba da TiTqmis daibruna
Selaxuli poziciebi. bunebrivia
am movlenebma kriminalur samyarosac Tavisi daRi daasva. adre
Tu kanonieri qurdi
Tavad qmnida mis daqvemdebarebaSi
myof
kriminalur dajgufebas, axla TviTon am
dajgufebebma daiwyes
sakuTari nebasurvilis gamtarebeli `kanonieri
qurdebis~
Seqmna. am procesis
naTel magaliTad e.w.
veris saZmo SegviZlia
moviyvanoT, romlis
SeqmniTac saqarTveloSi axali tipis mafiozur-klanuri sistemis
Camoyalibeba
daiwyo. maT droulad
moaxdines (Tu moaxdenines) axal droebasTan Segueba da
dRes isini TiTqmis
martoni marTaven saqarTvelos kriminalur elitas
da
ekonomikasac ki. swored
amis gamoZaxili iyo im dauxvewavi kanonis miReba kanonieri
qurdebisa da kriminaluri avtoritetebis winaaRmdeg. marTalia
iyo garkveuli winaaRmdegoba sazogadoebis mxridan am kanonTan
dakavSirebiT, gavixsenoT moWidaveebis aqcia Tu cixis bunti,
magram saakaSvilis Tqmisa ar
iyos, `ZaRli yefs, magram qaravani midis~.
calke saubris Temaa xsenebuli `veris saZmo~, radgan man
kriminalur samyaroSi ruseTis
gavlena daamuxruWa da Tavad
gaxda elita, Tumca gairkva, rom
isinic ruseTisa da aSS-is erToblivi ZalisxmeviT moqmedebdnen saqarTveloSi. am dajgufe-
bis Seqmna 80-ian wlebSi, `perestroikis~ gamocxadebis periodSive daiwyo. isini TavianT
Tavs meorenairad `borotebsac~
uwodebdnen. am dajgufebaSi gaerTiandnen vera-vakeSi mcxovrebi sportsmenebi, romlebic privilegirebuli ojaxebidan iyvnen,
gaaCndaT farTo kavSirebi da
swored am kavSirebis gamo hqondaT dausjelobis sindromi.
swored maT daudes saTave, Tanac im periodidanve aramarto
saqarTveloSi, aramed mTel postkomunistur sivrceSi axali
tipis
mafiozur-klanuri
struqturis Camoyalibebas, romelsac mTlianad unda Seecvala
socialistur-qurduli mmarTvelobis struqtura. revolucia
marto zeda fenebSi ki ara, aramed qveda fenebSic xdeba, igulisxmeba kriminaluri samyaro,
romelic yovelTvis gadajaWvulia oficiozTan da emsaxureba
mas. amitomac devnida da devnis
es xelisufleba `kanonier qurdebs~ am axalmiRebuli kanonebiT, radgan ZiriTadi revoluciuri gardaqmnebi mogvianebiT
daiwyo da axlac grZeldeba.
dRevandel xelisuflebaSi arian im axali mafiozur-klanuri
dajgufebebis warmomadgenlebi,
romelTa miRebuli kanonebiTac
devnian qurdebs da es xalxi sulac ar dagidevT imas, rom TviTon ufro meti danaSauli aqvT
Cadenili. maTi ZiriTadi mizani
qurdebis biznesis mitaceba, maTi
qonebis xelSi Cagdeba, iaraRiT
vaWrobis biznesis daufleba da
narkotranzitis gakontroleba
iyo, romelic kanonier qurdebs
waarTves. am yvlafrisTvis ki,
politikaSi yofna aucilebelia.
yovelives ganapirobebs didi
fuli, dRes ki didi fuli swored narkotranzitSia, Tumca mas
iaraRiT vaWrobac daemata, romelsac 2004 wels Seqmnili policiis struqturuli danayofebis meSveobiT axorcieleben.
am axladSeqmnili struqturuli danayofebis TanamSromlebs
specialuri saSvebi aqvT, romelSic aRniSnulia, rom mis
mflobels (sxaTa Soris am saSvSi gvar-saxeli miTiTebuli ar
aris) veravin mosTxovs sabuTebis warmodgenas. es piri, sadac
unda iq gaaCerebs avtomanqanas
da rac yvelaze mTavaria, mis
daqvemdebarebaSi myof tvirTs
veravin Seamowmebs.
wyaros gancxadebiT, `kanonieri qurdebisa~ da kriminaluri
samyaros winaaRmdeg miRebul
xsenebul kanons saerTod ar
umuSavia, Tu ar CavTvliT qonebis konfiskacias, rac marTla
moxda. am kanonis miRebis realuri mizanic es iyo, Tumca aqve isic unda iTqvas, rom qonebis konfiskacia saerTod ar Sexebia tariel onianis kriminaluri dajgufebis wevrebs. `vardebis revoluciis~ Semdeg dakavebul yvela kanonier qurds,
rogorc wesi, raRac kanongareSe `aRmouCines~. zogjer saqme
kuriozebamdec ki midioda. erTerT dakavebuls cecxlsasroli
iaraRi Caudes, arada Cxrekisas
mas marTlac aRmouCines meore
iaraRi. erT-erTma kanonierma
qurdma uari Tqva qarTuli pasportis aRebaze da qveynidan
gasvlaze, radgan mas Tavisi saxelis komprometaciis SeeSinda.
policielebma aseTi scena gaiTamaSes, am qurdis magier is policieli daakaves, romelic mas
Zalze hgavda da cecxlsasroli
iaraRi `aRmouCines~, gaformebiT
ki ra Tqma unda, yvelaferi am
`kanonier qurdze~ gaaformes da
bunebrivia, pasuxic agebines.
Cveni wyaros informaciiT,
Tu 2003 wlamde saqarTvelos
teritoriaze ruseTi akontrolebda narkotranzits, `vardebis revoluciis~ Semdeg es funqcia aSS-is specsamsaxurebma Caigdes xelSi da isini kurireben.
Turme imitom yofila atexili
imxela aJiotaJi aWaris `gasaTavisufleblad~.
saqarTvelos
mTeli strategiuli ekonomikuri obieqtebi ki ruseTs gadaeca
mizerul fasad. rogorc Cans, am
saxiT moxda ruseTis kompensireba. am dajgufebam, anu dRevandelma xelisuflebam gavlenis
sferoebis xelSi Cagdebis mizniT saqarTveloSi wesieri da
realuri investori ar gaaxara.
sxvadasxva mizezebiT, aTasgvari
fandebiTa da maqinaciebiT isini
saqarTvelodan gayares da maTi
adgilebi sxvadasxva saxelebis
gamoyenebiT TviTon Caigdes xelSi. mokled, erTis mxriv, Seqmnes axali tipis kriminaluri
elita, meores mxriv ki yvelaferi gaakeTes, rom saqarTvelo,
rogorc saxelmwifo ar Semdgariyo da xalxs isev `kanonieri
qurdi~ monatreboda.
manana suxiSvili
12 saerTo gazeTi
gvesaubreba partia `Tavisufali saqarTvelos~ Tavmjdomare kaxa kukava:
_ kaxa, ras ityviT, aSS
kvlav saakaSvils uWers mxars?
_ arsebobs politikuri TamaSis wesebi, maT Soris amerikuli, romelic Semdegs moiTxovs _ qveyanaSi, rogorc
xelisufleba, ise opozicia
nominalurad unda arsebobdes.
aSS-sTvis mniSvnelovania sazogadoebriv azrze zegavlenas
srulad flobdes, isini unda
akontrolebdnen saqarTveloSi
yvela moTamaSes _ xelisuflebas, opoziciasac, mediasac, eqspertebsac da arasamTavroboebsac. amitomac, isini am logikiT muSaoben. is, rom aSS `nac.
moZraobis~ garda `qristiandemokratebTan~, `axal memarjveneebTan~, `qarTul ocnebasTan~ `respublikelebTan~ muSaobs, es erTgvari speqtaklia,
partiebs eubnebian _ Tqvi, viTom opozicia xar, viTom xelisufleba xar. am dros arc
xelisuflebaa xelisufleba da
arc opoziciaa opozicia. yvelam kargad viciT, rom saqarTvelos saakaSvili ki ara, aramed aSS-s saelCo marTavs, xolo miSa maT azrebs axmovanebs.
meore mxriv, arc opozicia ar
aris opozicia imitom, rom
isini araferSi ar ewinaaRmdegebian xelisuflebis kurss.
daakvirdiT NDI-s da `airais~_
gamokiTxvebs. SemiZlia eqskluziurad giTxraT Semdegi _
zustad vici, rom NDI-s gamokiTxvebis mixedviT Cvens partias 14 procentiani reitingi
hqonda, romelic ar gamocxadebula. Tumca, me vaiZuleb amis
Sesaxeb gancxadeba gaakeTon,
radgan
zust
informacias
vflob amis Taobaze, mtkicebulebebi maqvs da NDI-s amis
aRiareba mouwevs. savaraudod
am monacemebs respublikuri institutic flobs. ratom aqveyneben isini sxva partiebis
reitingebs da blokaven Cvens
politikur organizacias? _
imitom, rom maTTvis pro-amerikul partiebs Soris vis eqneba 11 procenti da vis 31 procenti, meorexarisxovania. mTavaria `Tavisufali saqarTvelos~ mimarT sazogadoebis simpaTiebis zrda ar moxdes. piradi kontaqtebidan vici, rom
isini mTavar safrTxed swored
`Tavisufal saqarTvelos~ aRiqvamen da ara romelime im
opoziciur Zalas, romelic
Tavidan bolomde aSS-s marionetuli mmarTvelobis mier
damkvidrebul, e.w. liberalur
faseulobebs iziarebs.
_ kaxa, natoSi gawevrianeba
da avRaneTSi Cveni jarebis
gawveva axsene. Tu erT pro-aamerikul Zalas meoreTi CavanacvlebT, romelic aseve warmatebiT gagvawevrianebs natoSi, avRaneTSi amogvixocavs qarTvel
jariskacebs, risTvis vibrZviT
maSin?
_ diax, es SekiTxva gvaqvs
Cvenc, qarTul sazogadoebas _
bolobolo unda vicodeT ra
gvinda. Cveni sazogadoeba iciT
vis hgavs? _ luarsab TaTqariZes `kacia-adamianidan~, romelmac Zalian Tu Sewuxdeba da
ofli daasxams, SeiZleba Subli moiwmindos, an buzi Tu da-
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
ajda xeli auqnios, magram konceptualurad, ra saxelmwifos
Seneba gvinda, amaze fiqrisTvis
qarTulma sazogadoebam jer
ver moicala, roca SevardnaZem
qarTveli sazogadoeba Zalian
Seawuxa, xalxi quCaSi gamovida da igi gaagdes, magram arcerTi wuTiT ar gvifiqria, Tu
ra gvindoda SevardnaZis Semdgom, amitomac miviReT saakaSvili. dResac, rodesac saakaSvili ukve Zalian Semawuxebelia,
sazogadoeba drtvinavs, magram
rebT, rogorc germanelebi an
frangebi. amerikuli koloniebi, Tanamedrove msoflioSi,
esaa erayi, avRaneTi, afrikaSi
uamravi damokidebuli reJimi,
libia da a.S. amitom qarTulma
sazogadoebam arCevani unda gaakeTos. es procesi 2012 wlis
oqtomberSi ar mTavrdeba, magram iwyeba. `Tavisufali saqarTvelo~ qarTvel sazogadoebas
swored evropul arCevans sTavazobs, raTa Tavisufali eri
viyoT. arian pro-amerikuli
partiebi, romlebic
qarTvel xalxs eubnebian _ ar gvinda bevri fiqri, SevcvaloT
saakaSvili, mis nacvlad moviyvanoT savle
an pavle da sxva yvelaferi
ucvlelad
darCes. ra ufro misaRebi iqneba xalxisTvis, oqtomberSi gamoCndeba.
_ anu Tu sworad
gavige problema saa-
doebrivi azris Seqmna _ ra
gvsurs, rogori saxelmwifos
Seqmna gvinda 21-e saukuneSi.
rodesac 80-iani wlebis
bolos gamsaxurdiam da kostavam erovnuli moZraoba daiwyes, isini saqarTvelos damoukideblobis, komunisturi
reJimis Secvlis da ara gumbariZis gadayenebis moTxovniT
gamodiodnen. warmogidgeniaT,
raoden sasacilo iqneboda gamsaxurdias mTavar moTxovnad
gumbariZis gadayeneba rom daeyenebina, es xom arafers Secvlida?! asea axlac, saakaSvilis gadadgoma qveynisTvis absoluturad arafers ar Secvlis. amiT, SeiZleba Sinagani
boRma gavaneitralod da meti
araferi. me aravisze naklebi
siZulvili ar maqvs mis
mimarT, elementarulad Cemi
piradi bolo wlebis biografiidan gamomdinare, magram rogorc
politikosma
minda
vTqva, rom es qveynisTvis arafers Secvlis. vimeoreb, Cven
kaxa kukava:
2006-Si vinc gvarbevda,
2007 wels Cveni Tanamoazre gaxda,
2007 wels vinc gvawiokebda,
2008-Si Cveni TanamebrZoli
gaxda. ra moxdeba 2012 wels da
vin Semogvemateba 2011 wlidan?
Zalian cota dros uTmobs imaze fiqrs, Tu ra iqneba saakaSvilis Semdgom. garwmunebT,
rogorc SevardnaZis avtomaturma gadadgomam progresi ar
moitana, aseve moxdeba saakaSvilis SemTxvevaSic. kargad unda
davfiqrdeT, Tu gvinda iseTive
damoukidebelni viyoT, rogorc safrangeTi, germania da
sxvebi, unda vicodeT, rom es
qveynebi amerikis koloniebi ar
arian. am qveynebma TavianT ganviTarebas
mxolod
Zalian
principuli, ukompromiso, xSirad sisxliani brZolis Sedegad miaRwies. Tu Cven gvinda
aSS-s marTvis qveS myofi, axali tipis kolonia viyoT, sadac inglisuri saxelmwifo ena
iqneba da aSS-s 51-e Stati viqnebiT, maSin ar unda gvqondes
pretenzia, rom iseve vicxov-
kaSvilis Secvla ki ara qveynis
amerkis koloniisgan gaTavisuflebaa?
_ dRes Cven vcxovrobT 21e saukuneSi, roca politikuri
brZolis formebi Secvlilia.
jer kidev me-19-e saukuneSi
ilia werda, rom xmliT mosuli mteri saSiSi ar ariso. me20
saukuneSi
politikur
brZolaSi spec. samsaxurebi da
finansuri monopoliebi asrulebdnen gadamwyvet rols. ukve amanac dakarga aqtualoba.
dRes mTavari ideologiaa _ interneti _ `Youtube~ da
`Facebook~ bevrad ufro Zlier gavlenas axdens politikur
procesze, vidre aSS-s yvela
spec. samsaxuri erTad aRebuli. amitom Cveni mTavari amocana qarTuli sazogadoebis gamofxizlebaa, qarTuli sazoga-
aSS-s marionetuli reJimis
Secvla gvWirdeba. es ar aris
Cemi axireba. politikuri sistema, romelic ase Zalian ar
mogvwons saakaSvils ar Seuqmnia, aramed amas msoflios yvela kontinentze aSS hqmnis. is
ekonomikuri siduxWire, rac
saqarTveloSia, amis avtoria
ara saakaSvili, aramed e.w. Tavisufali vaWrobis koncefcia,
romelsac swored amerikuli
institutebi qadageben. arc
kulturuli faseulobebis ngreva da axalgazrdobis gadagvarebaa saakaSvilis mogonili,
aramed es aris swored is, rasac aSS liberalur faseulobebs uwodebs da ase agresiulad nergavs mTels msoflioSi. sxvaTaSoris, erTma Cemma
megobarma amas liberaluri
fundamentalizmi uwoda.
_ ras unda niSnavdes `endi-aais~ da `ai-r
rais~ kvlevis is
Sedegebi, romlebsac es organizaciebi ulufa-u
ulufad awvdian sazogadoebas?
_ rodesac NDI-m kvleva
gamoaqveyna, romlis mixedviTac
`nac. moZraoba~ eWvgareSe imarjvebs am arCevnebSi, ganacxades
_ iciT, ra es ar aris amerikis mTavrobis pozicia, aramed
luis navaroa cudi kacio. axla, roca `ai-raimac~ igive gamoaqveyna, eqspertebma gamoacxades _ arc `ai-rai~ gamoxatavs
aSS-s mTavrobis poziciaso.
aSS-Si sul ori partiaa _ demokratiuli da respublikuri.
SeiZleba demokratiuli ar
mogwondes da respublikuri
ki, an piriqiT, magram roca
arc demokratebi mogwons da
arc respublikelebi da acxadeb, rom aSS Zalian mogwons,
es saRi azrisgan Zalian daSorebuli, rogorc dasavleT-saqarTveloSi ityvian daCoCebulia.
_ Cveni `respublikelebi~
amerikidan bednierni dabrundnen, Tumca riTi _ erma ver gaigo.
_`respublikelebis~
da
qarTveli eris amocanebi erTmaneTisgan gansxvavdeba. amitom
is, rom `respublikuri partia~ raRac procesiT kmayofilia,
isini amaSi gulwrfelni arian,
ubralod maTi amocanebi ar emTxveva qarTveli erisas. Tuki
`respublikelebi~ parlamentSi
xuTkacian fraqcias Seqmnian,
es mTels maT biografiaSi iseTive miRweva iqneba, rogorc
saqarTvelos fexburTis nakrebi msoflio Cempioni rom gaxdes. amitom, bunebrivia, isini
im viTarebiT, rac axla iqmneba
kmayofilni arian.
amerikis mTavrobis gancxadebebi, maT Soris NDI-s kvlevebisac, ramdenjerme, winaswar
gamogicxadeT. SemiZlia giTxraT, rogori iqneba, arCevnebis
Semdeg meore adgilze gasuli
politikuri Zalis gancxadeba
_ Cven mogvpares gamarjveba,
gagviyalbes xmebi, magram mTavaria mTeli msoflio Cven gviWers mxars, vaCvenoT mTels
msoflios civilizebulobis
magaliTi da vemzadoT saprezidento arCevnebisTvis, sadac
beWebze davdebT `nac. moZraobas~-o. CaiwereT es, sityvasityviT am gancxadebas moismenT arCevnebidan ramodenime
dRis Semdeg.
_ saakaSvili bolo dros
araadekvaturia, Tumca aSS amaze ar reagirebs.
_ saakaSvili aris kokainis
momxmarebeli, es politikur,
maT Soris amerikul wreebSi
saidumlos ar warmoadgens. es
informacia 2 wlis win amerikuli pirvelwyarosgan miviRe.
me ar mjera, rom adamiani
SeiZleba 2011 wlade ar iyos
patrioti da 2011 wlis Semdgom gaxdes. es masobrivad xdeba qarTul politikaSi _ 2006
wels vinc gvarbevda 2007
wels Cveni Tanamoazre gaxda,
2007-Si vinc gvarbevda 2008Si Cveni Tanamoazre gaxda da
a.S. es ar mjera. ar SeiZleba
mogwondes 7 noemberi da aRgaSfoTos 26-ma maisma.
Tamar SveliZe
saerTo gazeTi 13
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`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria
profesori vaJa lorTqifaniZe
_ batono vaJa, yvelasaTvis
cxadi gaxda, rom amerikuli
arasamTavrobo organizaciis `airais~ kvlevebis SedegebiT, saqarTveloSi mosaxleoba kvlav
nacionalur partiasa da mis liders uWers mxars, mosaxleobam
ise Seafasa, TiTqos es gaxlavT
aSS-is mTavrobis ganwyobac
Cvens mimarT da isini mxars dauWeren momaval arCevnebSi
kvlav saakaSvils, Tqvenc
ase fiqrobT?
_ Cemi azriT, erT-erTi
kvleviTi institutisa Tu
arasamTavrobo organizaciis mier erT konkretul
qveyanaSi Catarebuli gamokiTxva Tu kvleva, sulac
ar niSnavs imas, rom aSS-s
mTavroba mxars uWers am
kvlevis Sedegebs, Tu vinme
ase fiqrobs, es arasworia!
SeiZleba viRacas awyobs,
rom es ase warmoaCinos,
magram es ase ar gaxlavT.
mTavari is ki ar aris, vis
ra unda, mTavaria, es ase
aris Tu ara.
amerikis saxelmwifom
da misma liderebma araerTgzis aRniSnes, rom isini
mxars uWeren ara romelime
liders, aramed saqarTvelos da elodebian iseT arCevnebs, romelic samarTlianad Catardeba. araerTgzis aRniSnes
barak obamac da sxvebmac, rom
isini elodebian xelisuflebis
mSvidobiani formiT gadabarebas,
Secvlas. rac Seexeba calkeuli
institutebis kvlevebs, Secdoma
imaSi mdgomareobs, rom maT, Cemi azriT, mikerZoebulad SearCies kvlevis Camtareblebi! es
xom amerikelebis mier Catarebuli kvlevebi ar aris. me ramdenadac vici, am kvlevebs atareben
saqarTvelos organizaciebi, is
jgufebi, romelnic pirdapir
arian mibmulni xelisuflebas.
es aris yvelaze mniSvnelovani
garemoeba. amitom, aqedan Cven ar
unda velodoT obieqturobas. es
`carieli adgilis~ da `liliputebis~
erTmaneTis sinqronuli lanZRviT
mxolod saqarTvelo zaraldeba...
yovelTvis iqneba mikerZoebuli
imis gamo, rom Camtarebeli organizacia aris Semadgeneli nawili xelisuflebis. meore Sec-
doma aris isic, rom ar aris
gaTvaliswinebuli da Seswavlili kvlevis meTodologia. sociologiis kvlevas aqvs zusti
kriteriumebi Sesafaseblad da
es Sedegebi didad aris damokidebuli am meTodologiaze.
aris sxva kvlevebic Catarebuli saqarTveloSi da isini
sulac ar emTxveva am kvlevis
Sedegebs.
Tu romelime instituti ganzrax SecdomiT Caatarebs kvlevebs, es sulac ar niSnavs imas,
rom maTi saxelmwifos liderebi eTanxmebian maT isac nu dagvaviwydeba, rom amerika didi saxelmwifoa, iq bevri sxvadasxva
ganwyobaa. Tu laparakia amerikis
dRevandel xelisuflebaze, maT
xalxis azriT
saakaSvilis antiqar Tuli politika –
aWara Turqebs!.. afxa zeTi da cxinvali
rusebs!.. Tbilisi, “kavkasiis
dedaqalaqi”?! xolo quTaisi,
saqarTvelos “dedaqalaqi”?!
sadac, – xan parlamentis Tav mjdomare iqneba, – xan ki pre mier – ministri!!!.. es xumroba
ar aris!.. Tu sul gamovlenC diT qarTvelebi da marto imis
imedad viqeniT, – moaxerxeben
Tu ara, qarTveli “respublikelebi” an alasanias “Tavisufali demokratebi”, amerikeli
senatorebisa da kongresmene bis darwmunebas saakaSvilis
“arademokratiulobaSi”, – ma Sin qveyana aRar gveqneba!!!.. amitom, qarTveli eris saakaSvilis reJimTan dapirispireba
scildeba “saSinao CarCoebs”
da amavdroulad, igi unda gan vixiloT, rogorc “sagareo
momakvdinebeli safrTxe”, –
saqarTvelos saxelmwifoebri obisa da mTlianobisaTvis, –
aqedan gamomdinare Sedege biT!!!.. moRalate Tu mosyiduli saakaSvilis winaaRmdeg
brZola, qarTveli erisTvis
yofna – aryofnis zRvarze ga dis!!!.. mokled, samSoblo gan sacdelSia da mxolod “qudze
kaci” gadaarCens mas daRupvi sagan!!!
miSa Tavis stiqiaSia
ra.. soxumi qarTuli
qalaqi arasdros yofilao _ es idioto ba kidev gaimeora... ise aRmova Cine, am kacs buCqebis mimarT
marTlac
saxelmwifoebrivi
midgoma aqvs..:)
araerTgzis ganacxades rom isini mxars uWeren xelisuflebis
mSvidobian gadabarebas. amiT me
vfiqrob, yvelaferia naTqvami _
es aris maTi pozicia! es me
msmenia maTi respublikuri
partiis liderebisganac, kongresmenebisganac, senatorebisganac. CemTvis es ufro
mTavaria, vidre romelime
kvlevis Sedegebi. isic nu
dagvaviwydeba, rom aseTi
kvlevebi sworedac imitom
tardeba, rom am yvelaferma
xalxis ganwyobaze, maT azrze imoqmedos _ es qveynis
Sida moxmarebisTvis aris
gaTvlili! es Sedegebi im
mizniT daido, rom xalxs es
kiTxva gasCenoda, rac Tqven
damisviT, xom ar uWers aSS
saqarTvelos xelisuflebas
mxars? aseTi kvlevebi ruseTzec SeiZleba Cataron da
Tqvan, rom saakaSvils mxars
uWers ruseTic. es yvelaferi arasworia. kvlevis meTodologiis dros ar aris gaTvaliswinebuli erTi mniSvnelovani ram, is SiSis faqtori, romelic dRes Cvens qveyanaSi sufevs
da xelisuflebis mxridan inergeba.
bunebrivia, roca Sedian adamianebTan, Tanac iseT dros, roca yvelam icis, rom kvlevis Camtareblebi nacionaluri partiis
megobrebi arian, vin gascems
swor pasuxs an ratom? yvela
etyvis tyuilad, rom isini nacionalebis mxardamWerebi arian.
yvelam naTlad dainaxa, rom
vinc ki gamoxata Ria mxardaWera biZina ivaniSvilis mimarT, ra
dReSi Caagdes isini. aSineben maT
ojaxebs, ateroreben, apatimreben, arTmeven bizness. vinc biZina ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobas xeli moawera. Worvileli maswavleblebis skolebidan gaaTavisufleba ra moqmedebaa? ra aris
imaSi gasakviri, rom maswavleblebi, skolebidan gaaTavisufles. es ra moqmedebaa? ra aris
imaSi gasakviri, rom maswavleblebi, romlebic muSaoben ivaniSvilis mier aSenebul skolaSi,
romelTac mxardaWera igrZnes am
pirovnebisgan am mZime wlebSi,
bevrisTvis is sisxliT naTesavic aris da mxari ar unda daeWiraT misTvis moqalaqeobis aRdgenaze? ar imsaxurebs es pirovneba sul mcire, saqarTvelos moqalaqeobas mainc? ra
aris am mxardaWeraSi cudi? es
yovelive ar apaties maswavleblebs da moisroles da datoves
usamsaxurod da dRes ra gasakviria, rom aseTi SiSis pirobebSi igive saCxereSi, an quTaisSi
an TbilisSi xalxi daSinebulia
da Tu vinme hkiTxavs, Tu vis
miscemen xmas, ityvian nacionalebs.
ase rom, am gamokiTxvebsa Tu
kvlevis Sedegebs sinamdvilesTan
aranairi kavSiri ara aqvs. da Tu
Tqven mkiTxavT, rom am kvlevebis
ukan amerika xom ar dgas, es
gaxlavT is, rac undaT am azris
gamavrceleblebs.
_ biZina ivaniSvilisaTvis saqarTvelos moqalaqeobis armice-
ma ras niSnavs nacionalebis
mxridan?
_ es imas niSnavs, rom amtkiceben TiTqos, rom rasac undaT, imas gaukeTeben ivaniSvils,
xalxs ki daanaxeben, rom is
Zlieri konkurenti ar aris
dRevandeli xelisuflebis. es
aris arasamarTliani qceva, da
es nacionalebs miutans sapirispiro Sedegebs, imitom rom
odiTganve ase iyo saqarTveloSi, rom sazogadoeba dgeba im
adamianis gverdiT, visac usamarTlod eqcevian.
_ ramodenime dRis win medvedevma televiziiT ganacxada,
rom is pativs scems qarTvel
xalxs da Cvens qveyanas, Tumca,
saakaSvili mxolod `carieli
adgilia~ da meti araferio,
aris Tu ara es gamoTqma misi
mxridan seriozuli?
_ me rogorc Cveni qveynis
xelisuflebis mxridan, var winaaRmdegi aseTi aradiplomatiuri da araseriozuli gamonaTqvamebisa, aseve ver miviReb aseTive
gad icis, rom es aris istoriis gayalbeba da arasamarTlianoba. Tu 2008 wlamde yvela da
maT Soris ruseTi aRiarebda
Cveni teritoriis mTlianobas,
ra Seicvala 2008 wlis mere?
afrikul qveynebSi rom midian
da eZeben mokavSireebs, vinc
afxazeTisa da oseTis damoukideblobas cnobs. es swori qcevaa? saqarTvelos teritoriaze
rom ganalages TavianTi samxedro bazebi rusebma vis jinaze
gaakeTes, erTi pirovnebisa mxolod? cxadia, maT aseT qcevaze
damnaSave Cveni xelisuflebac
aris, magram ruseTis pasuxismgeblobas es ar xsnis im Sedegze _rac dRes miviReT qveyanaSi.
pativs
scemde
qarTvel
xalxs da mis istorias da qveyanas ase moeqce _ sruliad SeuTavsebelia! ase, rom medvedevis
mxridan es sityvebi aris mxolod ritorika!
_ saakaSvilic xSirad ambobs, rom is pativs scems rus
turistebs, xalxs. erTnair `Ta-
qcevas maTi mxridanac. Tuki Cven
obieqturi da samarTlianebi
viqnebiT, isic unda vTqvaT, rom
Tu am xelisuflebis winaaRmdegni arian, me ar var amaSi
darwmunebuli, im did saxelmwifos da mis liderebs moeTxovebaT imdeni sibrZne da politikuri simwife, rom saakaSvilTan
pirad interesebs da qiliks ar
gadaayolon mTeli qveyana. rogorc Cven qveyanas moeTxoveba
koreqtuloba maT mimarT, isinic
unda iyvnen koreqtulni.
_ ukacravad, magram es qiliki da lanZRva erTmaneTis mimarT, putins da medvedevs saakaSvilTan sinqronSi uwevT, xan
erTi mxare eZaxis meores `liliputs~, xan meore mxare saakaSvils `Ïóñòîóå ìåñòî~-ss. ras
unda niSnavdes es sinqroni?
_ is, rac rusebma gaakeTes
afxazeTTan an cxinvalTan mimarTebaSi, ar eteva aranair CarCoSi an wesSi imis mimarT, rom me
cud urTierTobaSi var saakaSvilTan da amitom unda vamyofo
xalxi aseT mdgomareobaSi. Tu
qarTveli xalxi uyvars medvedevs, maSin mis istoriasac unda
scen pativi, mis teritoriul
mTlianobas. miwis xelyofa ar
aris samarTliani qceva.
Tu afxazebma moiTxoves damoukidebloba, xom yvelam kar-
maSs~ xom ar `TamaSobs~ es ori
lideri?
_ ara marto turistebi uyvarT Cvens xelisufalT, rus
biznesmenebsac kargad uxsnian
kars. aqedan Cans, rom deklarireba xdeba erTi ramis, realurad ki saqme sul sxvanairadaa.
akeTebs misTvis sasargeblo gancxadebebs ruseTis xelisufalic da Cveni qveynisac, magram
yvelasaTvis TvalnaTelia, rom
dRemde mogebuli rCeba jerjerobiT ruseTi! Cven varT wagebuli da amas danaxva unda! aseTma
`SemTxveviT
sinqronizaciam~
mxolod saqarTvelo daaziana!
_ SeZlebs Tu ara moaxloebul saparlamento arCevnebSi
`nacionaluri moZraoba~ gamarjvebas?
_ vfiqrob, `airais~ msgavsi
gamokiTxvebiT isini Tavs ar moityueben. mSvenivrad ician xalxis ganwyoba TavianT mimarT, amitom msgavsi gamokiTxvebiT Tu
kvlevebiT cdiloben xalxi, Cven
mogvatyuon, Torem momxreebi
bevri rom ar hyavT, mSvenivrad
ician. cxadia, yvelanairad Seecdebian, rom arCevnebi ar iyos
obieqturi, magram sazogadoebis
roli amjerad didi iqneba. xalxi unda Seecados imas, rom Tavi ar moatyuebinon maT.
eTer kasreliSvili
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30 maiss erovnuli
gamoRviZebis zarebi
unda davarisxoT
`saaerTo gaazeTis~ stumaariaa
mweraali merab SaTiriSvili.
_ batono merab, Tqven `qarTuli ocnebis~ delegati iyaviT, aqtiurad monawileobdiT
batoni ivaniSvilis partiis
dafuZnebaSi da ucbad sxva mxares gaisma Tqveni saxeli, agvixseniT, ra xdeba?
_ me vfiqrob, rom miSa saakaSvilis winaaRmdeg brZola
konstituciuri gziT, es aris
TiToeuli qarTvelis movaleoba. ra dros CaerTveba am
brZolaSi, amas mniSvneloba ar
aqvs, yvela Cvengani unda iyos
jariskaci. sad iqneba is, ivaniSvilis koaliciaSi, gverdze,
mxarSi, iqneba TvalsaCino saxe
Tu ara, mniSvneloba ar aqvs,
mTavaria, monawileoba miiRo
saerTo miznisTvis brZolaSi.
amJamad, aqtiurad var Cabmuli
`kavkasiis helsinkis jgufTan~.
cnobisaTvis, 30 aprils Catardeba, ase vTqvaT, erovnuli
Tavyriloba `erovnulebis~ saxelwodebiT.
_ ra iqneba `erovnulebi~,
moZraoba?
_ jerjerobiT es iqneba sazogadoebrivi moZraoba, romelic mxars dauWers arCevnebis
gziT xelisuflebis Secvlas
da `qarTul ocnebasTan~ erTad
Seecdeba daamTavros arsebuli
reJimi saqarTveloSi.
me vfiqrob, rom nebismieri
sazogadoebrivi gaerTianeba,
nebismieri jgufi, Tuki is namdvilad saqarTvelos Tavisuflebaze fiqrobs, am brZolaSi
unda Caebas. arcaa saWiro daZaxeba _ `modi, Cems gverdze
dadeqi~, Tavisi SexedulebiT
Tavisi wili aguri unda dados
axali saqarTvelos mSeneblobaSi.
me TviT imitom movedi `erovnulebTan~, rom, vfiqrob,
Cemi gamosvlebiT, Cemi mentalitetiT, Cemi moqalaqeobiT
da Cemi qarTvelobiT swored
iq vdgavar, sadac nebismieri
qarTuli ojaxi. dameTanxmebiT,
albaT, rom nebismier qarTul
ojaxSi Rvivis erovnuli suliskveTeba. patara magaliTs
getyviT, proeqt `niWierebSi~ xuloelma mamakacma da, Tu ar vcdebi, lentexelma qalbatonma gaimarjves qarTuli simReriT, momdevno wels gurjaanelma ymawvilma, Jiuris ar gadauwyvetia maTi gamarjveba, maT erma misca xma.
amiT imis Tqma minda, rom
mTvlemare erovnuli muxti,
romelic TiTqmis yvela ojaxSia, gasaRvivebeli, asabrialebeli da gareT gamosatania.
dameTanxmebiT, rom oci welia ukve, erovnuli suliskveTeba saqarTveloSi, erovnuli
principebi da erovnuli idea
gamoketilia uxilav seifSi.
albaT, imaSic dameTanxmebiT,
rom erovnuloba politikuri
ambiciebisTvis
gankuTvnili
`bliudosaviT~ gaxda. rogorc
calke kerZi, daTreuli aqvs,
rogorc xelisuflebas, aseve
calkeul politikur
gaerTianebebs, magram,
faqtiurad, xdeba erovnulobis
Segnebuli
diskreditacia.
_ sityvas gawyvetinebT, magram unda vTqva,
faqtia, rom qarTul
realobaSi sityva `samSoblo~ amovarda metyvelebidan da Caenacvla
sityva `qveyana~...
_ amazea saubari,
rom TiTqos erovnuloba, samSoblo, yvelaferi qarTulis xseneba
sircxvili gaxda. TiTqos arsebobs masze didi civilizacia, rogoricaa `vefxistyaosani~,
an Tundac guramiSvili, an ilia WavWavaZis
ideebi, romelic gagrZelda gasuli saukunis 90-ian
wlebSi. Cven viciT, rom erovnul moZraobaSi iseTi liderebi iyvnen, romlebmac ganaxorcieles kidec garkveul periodSi erovnuli idea, _ eseni
iyvnen zviad gamsaxurdia da merab kostava. mere, viciT, rac
moxda, zviad gamsaxurdias xelisuflebis damxoba, rasac
mohyva ilias gzis Caxergva,
erovnuli ideebis diskreditacia da raRac CarCoebSi moqceva. moxda adamianebis dayofa
`SevardnaZistebad~, `zviadistebad~, mxedrionelebad~, patar-patara jgufebad da jabasa da SevardnaZis mentalitetis formatSi gadaiyvanes er-
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gaxades, TiTqos sazogadoebisgan ganacalkeves `zviadistebi.~ am dros ra xdeboda? _ nebismieri arCevnebis dros, swored am `zviadistebis ~ gareSe
ver igebda arCevnebs vercerTi
politikuri Zala, romelic
wina planze gamovidoda. saWiroebisTvis raRacnairad gamoiyenebdnen am Zalas, imitom
rom garkveulwilad isic iZulebuli iyo, rom Tavisi qveynis winsvlaSi monawileoba mieRo.
_ magaliTad?
_ magaliTad, saakaSvili
ver movidoda erovnuli Zalebis gareSe, romelsac Tavad
arqmevdnen `zviadistebs~, gamoiyenes da datoves motyuebuli.
rT, xmamaRla unda vTqvaT. erovnuli ideis matarebel xalxs gverdze unda davudgeT isinic, romlebmac maSin, nebsiT
Tu uneblied, ver miviReT monawileoba verc imdroindeli
xelisuflebis mxardasaWerad
da verc mowinaaRmdeged, viyaviT neitraluri, an adamianebi,
romelTac maSin tyvia ar usvriaT da ar CaudeniaT danaSauli qarTveli erisa da saxelmwifos winaaRmdeg.
dameTanxmebiT, rom mas Semdeg, rac Cveni erovnuli Rirsebis damcvelebi Cvenve viqnebiT, kargi partniorebi aRmovCndebiT mezobeli qveynebisTvisac, evropisa da amerikisTvisac. Cven Tu Cvens erovnul
Rirsebas da erovnul faseulobebs ar vufrTxildebiT da
ar vinaxavT, ar vaviTarebT da
ar vaRvivebT, vin varT Cven
rusisTvis, amerikelisTvis Tu
cxadia, ramdenime adamianis
garda, romelic garewari iyo,
rogorc Cans, zviadis drosac
da swored am garewrebiT moxda zviadis ideebis da mizandasaxulobis
diskreditacia,
konkretul pirebs ar vexebi,
vgulisxmob maT, vinc amJamad
`nacionalebSi~ arian.
iseTi politikuri viTareba
Seiqmna saqarTveloSi am oci
wlis ganmavlobaSi, rom, TiTqos, erovnuli ideebis matarebeli xalxi fanatizmSi arian
gadasuli _ isini `zviadistebi~ arian. ara, Cemo kargo, isini `zviadistebi~ ki ar arian,
isini erovnulebi arian da im
ideis matareblebi, ilias im
gzis gamgrZeleblebi, romel
ideasac Seewira Tavad zviadi.
me vfiqrob, dRes saqarTveloSi dadga imis dro, rom
Sewydes Cveni mxridan imaze saubari, rom erovnul-liberalebi varT. ara, Cemo kargo,
arc liberalizmi da arc arc
erTi politikuri mimarTuleba
erovnulobis gareSe ar ganxorcieldeba.
is, rom Cven qarTvelebi va-
nebismieri sxva qveynisTvis,
TavSi wamosartymelebi? me, magaliTad, SeiZleba, Turqs vce
pativi pirovnulad, magram veraviTar SemTxvevaSi ver moviTmen Cemi aWareli xalxis
erovnulobis Seviwroebis xarjze aWaraSi Turquli interesis galaRebas. es ar aris
erovnuloba, es ar aris tolerantizmi, es ar aris keTilmezobloba Cveni mxridan _ maT
ras verCiT, sargebloben Cveni
ugunurebiT. roca dainaxavs
igive Turqi, rom Cven varT
Rirseuli, Cveni erovnebis,
tradiciebis, wesebis, rac Segviqmnia im kulturisa da Rirebulebebis damcveli, cxadi
gaxdeba, rom pativsacemi eri
varT da maTTvisac gaadvildeba CvenTan urTierToba. igive
damokidebuleba Seeqmneba nebismier qveyanas.
Cven Tu Cveni erovnuloba,
marTlmadidebloba, Cveni kultura ar davicaviT, verasodes
davibrunebT samaCablosa da
afxazeTs. teritoriebiT ar
ganisazRvreba eris myofadoba,
is ganisazRvreba kulturiTa
da misi sulierebiT. Cven
afxaz da os xalxTan erTad
saukuneebi vleweT, gadavleweT
da movediT dRemde. absoluturad dakargaven isini TavianT
erovnulobas da kargaven ukve,
rac maTi brali ki ara, Cveni
bralia. Cven ver davicaviT Cveni erovnuloba da amitom ver
davicaviT isini. Cven, qarTvelma erma ratom SevqmeniT imis
safuZveli, rom osi da afxazi
daecva sxva qveyanas, ruseTs,
es xom Cveni bralia. xom unda
SevignoT, rom maT rusis dasacavi araferi sWirT! Cems arsebaSi yovelTvis mjera da yovelTvis vambob, imitom davkargeT afxazebi da osebi, rom
Cven davkargeT erovnulobis
dacvis meqanizmi.
saocaria, magram faqtia,
rom raRac sxva Rirebulebebis
pativiscema daviwyeT. televiziiT vismenT frazas `prioritetulia inglisuri
ena.~ rogor SeiZleba,
saqarTveloSi
romelime ena prioritetuli iyos, garda qarTulisa; rogor SeiZleba saqarTveloSi prioritetuli iyos raime,
garda qarTuli adaT-wesebisa da qarTuli kulturisa!
yvelafer qarTuls
rom korozia SeuCnda da ufleba miveciT
Semosuliyo
ucxouri samsala,
swored aman gamoiwvia afxazebisa da
osebis qarTvelebisgan mowyveta. isini
Cveni Zmebi arian da
Cven Tu erovnulebi
varT, maTi erovnebac Cveni erovnebis nawilia da maTi erovnebis gadarCena Cveni erovnebis
Rirebulebebis gafrTxilebaSia.
me, mTeli Cemi arsebiT, mTeli Cemi SegnebiTa da potencialiT vdgavar erovnul sawyisebze, erovnuli ideis ganxorcielebis rigebSi da minda,
rom mTelma saqarTvelom, TiToeulma ojaxma gaaRviZos da
gareT gamoitanos masSi arsebuli mTvlemare erovnuloba.
damTavrda! kovzi nacarSi
unda Cauvardes nebismier Savbnel Zalas da moispos erovnuli, Rirseuli adamianebis monaTvla avadmyofuri formuliT. qarTvelebi mxolod buxris win da Caketil oTaxSi
xom ar varT, qarTvelebi unda
viyoT saqarTvelos winaSec,
mezoblebis winaSec da mTeli
msoflios winaSec.
Cveni saubari minda davasrulo markesis SesaniSnavi
sityvebiT `me vemsaxurebi Cems
samSoblos da ara Cemi samSoblos mTavrobas!~
maia WeliZe
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`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria
`kavkasiis helsinkis jgufis~
erT-eerTi damfuZnebeli sandro bregaZe
_ batono sandro, iTqva,
rom `kavkasiis helsinkis jgufis~ bazaze fuZndeba axali
erovnuli moZraoba `erovnulebi~, dasabnevi rom ar iyos, iqneb, ufro garkveviT ganmartoT.
_ es moZraoba ar iqmneba
konkretulad romelime organizaciis bazaze. oriode dReSi
gamocxaddeba sainiciativo jgufis Semadgenloba da gamocxaddeba am moZraobis yrilobis
dRec _ 30 maisi. moxdeba yvela im erovnuli Zalis konsolidireba, romelic mowadinebulia imisaTvis, rom saqarTveloSi aRdges is erovnuli suli, romelic gasuli saukunis
pirvel naxevarSi ilia WavWavaZis mier iqna aRorZinebuli,
xolo meore naxevarSi zviad
gamsaxurdiasa da merab kostavas mier. is suli, romelic,
mogexsenebaT, Cvenda samwuxarod, jer SevardnaZis xelisuflebis ugunurma antiqarTulma da antixalxurma qmedebebma Cakla, xolo SemdgomSi,
dRes arsebulma reJimma moindoma, rom sabolood gaenadgurebina erovnuli cnobiereba.
erovnuli idea iqneba ZiriTadi
mizani im didi sazogadoebrivi
moZraobis Seqmnisa, romelic am
etapze ase aris Cafiqrebuli,
rom erqmeva moZraoba `erovnulebi~, SemdgomSi ki ukve gamocxaddeba konkretuli gegmebi, ra strategiiTa da taqtikiT imoqmedebs es sazogadoebrivi moZraoba.
_ gamomdinare axalgazrda
Taobebis erovnuli cnobierebis
gaiSviaTebidan, sainteresoa,
moZraobis asakobrivi Semadgenloba.
_ mec mqonda daaxloebiT
amgvari STabeWdileba axalgazrda Taobaze, magram, Cvenda sabednierod, ase ar aRmoCnda. mas
Semdeg, rac kuluarulad ganvacxadeT, rom erovnul-ganmanTavisuflebeli moZraobis yriloba tardeba, mTeli dRis ganmavlobaSi ar wydeba Cvens
ofisSi satelefono zarebi da
momsvleli xalxi, romlebic
gamoxataven srul mxrdaWeras
da mzadyofnas. moZraobaSi warmodgenili iqneba yvela Taobis
warmomadgeneli. aris axalgazrdebis Zalian saintereso jgufi, arian Suaxnis adamianebi da
xanSiSesulebic. es iqneba erTgvari sinTezi qarTveli sazogadoebisa, qarTveli erisa, romelmac unda ganaxorcielos is
ideebi, romelic TiToeuli
CvenganisTvis Zvirfasia.
miuxedavad imisa, rom rogorc aRvniSne, zviad gamsaxurdias Semdgomi yvela xelisufali cdilobda erovnuli sulis
Cakvlas, saqarTvelos mosaxleobis absoluturi umravlesobisTvis mainc misaRebi aris is
konservatoruli ideebi, riTic
aqamde movida qarTveli eri.
mTeli am wlebis ganmavlobaSi ar iyo organizebuli es
Sinagani ganwyoba, rac xels
uSlida im ideebis ganxorcielebas, rac erovnul adamianebsa da erovnul jgufebs aqvT.
swored es aris imis mizezic,
rom erovnuli cnobiereba ualternativoa,
rom is aris qarTveli eris gadarCenis
erTaderTi gza da erTaderTi Sansi.
_ ranairad fiqrobT xalxisTvis xmis miwvdenas. TbilisSi kidev SeiZleba
raRacnairad
gavrceldes xma, magram
saqarTvelo xom mxolod Tbilisi ar
aris?
_ samwuxarod, arsebuli xelisuflebisadmi opoziciurad
sul male dafuZndeba saxalxo
moZraoba `erovnulebi~,
romlis kari yvela patrioti
qarTvelisTvis Riia...
rom dRes arsebuli xelisuflebis mier Tavs gvaqvs moxveuli is ideologia, romelic absoluturad ucxo aris TiTqmis yvela ojaxisTvis saqarTveloSi. es aris ucxoeTidan maxinji formebiT gadmonergili
da xalxisTvis miwodebuli
iseTi ideologia, romelsac 24
saaTis ganmavlobaSi qadageben
qarTuli televiziebi, e.w saxelisuflebo elita da is arasamTavrobo
organizaciebi,
romlebic saqarTvelos dauZinebeli mtrebis mier aris Seqmnili.
_ romel arasamTavrobo
organizaciebs gulisxmobT?
_ erT-erTi TvalsaCino magaliTia `Tavisuflebis instituti~. Tqven mowme xarT
imisa, rom `Tavisuflebis instituts~ mxrdamWeri faqtobrivad, ar hyavs saqarTveloSi da didi agresiaa maT mimarT, magram miuxedavad amisa,
swored isini arian
farTod reklamirebulebi da undaT warmoCena, rom maTi ideebia misaRebi.
Cven vapirebT swored am mojadoebuli wris garRvevas,
romelic aucileblad gairRveva kidec da TvalnaTeli gaxdeba TiToeuli adamianisTvis,
ganwyobil adamianebsa da sxvaTa Soris, opoziciaSi erovnul adamianebs aSkarad devnian
eleqtronuli mediis warmomadgenlebi, magram
30 maiss Seikribeba
imdeni xalxi, davanaxebT yvelas, rom amde-
ni adamiani arc erTi
sazogadoebrivi Tu
sxva tipis organizaciis Tavyrilobas ar
axsovs.
sruli pasuxismgeblobiT
SemiZlia giTxraT, rom ukve
dawyebulia saxalxo moZraoba
enTuziazmze, romelic sakmaod
myaria. adamianebi modian mxo-
bevis mere vinmes darbeva ukvirT am Cemis Tvrametianebs?... amaTzea naTqmi: “ara, ti na svoi nos
pasmatri elii”
xalxis azriT
roca ministri pleSu evrosabWoSi
Sesvlas „apiarebda”, erT-eerT sofelSi
uTxres: evrosabWoSi Sesvla ki Zalian
gvinda, magram pidarastoba savaldebulo rom xdeba, es cota gvaSfoTebso. evropis
xaTriT ras ar izam kaci, magram mainc „texavs”.
vaimee, ra daarbies amferi am ruseTSi..
mTeli dRe ro xvixvineben es Cemis
trulaila miSoidebi?... 26 maisis dar-
SevardnaZisdroindeli saarCevno kodeqsiT saarCevno siaSi amomrCevlis piradi nomeri fiqsirdeboda, xolo arCevnebis dRes amomrCevlis piradobis
mowmobis nomeri, es ori monacemi erTmaneTs unda damTxveoda.
moqmedi saarCevno kodeqsiT, saarCevno
siaSi piradi nomeria Setanili da arCevnebis dResac mxolod piradi nomeri
fiqsirdeba, amdenad kontrolis es meqanizmi gaqra. SesaZloa, winaswar Seavso monacemebi, amomrCevlis nacvlad xelic moawero da
biuleteni gamoiyeno.
lod da mxolod imisaTvis,
rom gadaarCinon yvela is faseuloba, romlebic Zvirfasia
qarTveli erisTvis.
viRacas hgonia, rom Cveni faseulobebi es aris CamorCeniloba da raRac regresi, arada, piriqiTaa, dasavluri faseulobebi, realurad, TanxvedraSi aris
im faseulobebTan, romelic qarTvel ers aqvs. amave dros minda
vTqva, rom qarTveli eri da saqarTvelo yovelTvis iyo erTerTi didi qvakuTxedi im dasavluri civilizaciisa, romelic
dRes esoden popularulia saqarTvelos politikur Tu sazogadoebriv wreebSi.
Cven vfiqrobT, rom
erovnuloba, romelic demokratiul principebze iqneba damyarebuli, iqneba erTaderTi gamosavali im
Cixidan, romelSic vimyofebiT.
saqarTveloSi arsebul reJims veravin da veranairi saSualebiT ver daamarcxebs Tu ar
iarseba erovnulma doqtrinam,
Tu ar iarseba erovnulma ideologiam da Tu ar moxda erovnuli ideologiis matarebeli
adamianebis erT organizaciul
struqturad Camoyalibeba da
im erTi didi muStis Sekvra,
romelic daamarcxebs yvela im
ukeTurobas, rac garedan gvaqvs
Tavsmoxveuli.
aucileblad aRvniSnav, rom
im e.w liberalur Rirebulebebs, romelsac warmogvisaxaven
maTi saqarTveloSi damnergavebi, aranairi saerTo ar aqvs
klasikur liberalizmTan, marqsistul-leninuri ideebia da
amitom mstovrebs vuwodeb maT.
e.w liberalebis Zalisxmeva mimarTulia iqiT, rom iarsebon
mxolod maT da aravin sxvam,
anu isini arian bolSevikebis
gzis gamgrZeleblebi, amitom,
modiT, davarqvaT is, ranic
arian, neobolSevikebi, neokomkavSirlebi...
Cven unda davanaxoT xalxs,
rom arsebobs seriozuli ideologiuri alternativa, erovnuli ideologia, romelsac absoluturad yvelafris Secvla
SeuZlia saqarTveloSi ukeTesobisaken.
dasavleT evropaSi ukve
dawyebulia procesebi da safrangeTis bolo saprezidento
arCevnebmac daadastura, rom
erovnuloba iwevs wina planze.
CvenTan, miuxedavad imisa, rom
sakmaod bevri mteri hyavs
erovnulobas, bevrad ukeT aris
saqme im mxriv, rom mainc myarad dgas. nebismieri qarTvelis
ojaxSi rom SebrZandeT, dainaxavT tradiciul qarTul ojaxs, romlisTvisac mTavari
principia erovnuloba.
Tu Cven miviRebT mxolod
cvlilebas, rodesac es reJimi
Seicvleba da mis adgilze mova imave ideologiis, warsulSi
maTTan axlos mdgomi pilitikuri Zala, es iqneba fasaduri cvlileba, romelic arafer kargs ar moutans saqarTvelos.
_ TqvenTvis miuRebel politikur
Zalebs ras upirebT.
_ araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar vfiqrobT, rom unda moikveTon an aikrZalon. unda iarsebon
memarjveneebmac, memarcxeneebmac, centristebmac, liberalebmac, yvela politikurma Zalam da
qarTvelma erma unda gaakeTos maT Soris arCevani.
_ mkvidrdeba termini `qarTuli sazogadoeba,~ rogor
ggoniaT, swori formaa SerCeuli?
_ Cemi Rrma rwmeniT, es unda Seicvalos formiT `qarTveli eri~, romelic zviad gamsaxurdias Semdeg politikuri
leqsikonidan nel-nela amovarda. ki, batono, `sazogadoeba~
kargi aris, magram uZvelesi
tradiciebisa da kulturis
mqone qarTveli eri imsaxurebs
imas, rom vilaparakoT qarTvel
erze.
_ marTalia, CemTvis gaugebaria, magram iTqva, rom saqarTveloSi mcxovreb sxva eris
warmomadgenlebs uxerxulobas
Seuqmnis qarTvel erze xazgasma.
_ me vfiqrob, rom sxva
eris warmomadgenlebs es ar
ewyinebaT, imitom, rom is somexic, azerbaijanelic, afxazic
da osic imave eris mTlianobaSi moiazreba, romelSic nebismieri qarTveli.
maia WeliZe
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rusTavelis TeatrSi, sadac akaki
xoravas suli trialebs, viRac
malaizieli saWmels akeTebs, ase
vuvliT Cvens erovnul Rirsebas?!
interviu dima jaianTa.
_ modiT, batono dima, visaubroT afxazeTze. ramdenime
dRis win prezidentma uxerxul konteqstSi moixsenia
saqarTvelos es ulamazesi
kuTxe.
_ saerTod afxazeTTan mimarTebaSi amaT gamousworebeli danaSauli aqvT Cadenili.
daukvirdiT, afxazeTs saerTod aRar axseneben an Tu axseneben, jobs, saerTod ar eTqvaT raime. marTalia, erTi
mowvevis parlamentis wevri
viyavi, magram imas mainc vaxerxebdiT, rom yoveldRiurad Segvexesebina Cveni tkivili afxazeTi saqarTvelos mosaxleobisTvis cxonebuli Tamaz nadareiSvilis dros iyo
afxazeTze aqtiurad saubari.
parlamentis sxdoma afxazeTis sakiTxiT iwyeboda maSin,
axla Tu gagigiaT afxazeTze
seriozuli laparaki? ara,
xom? iciT, ratom? amaT hgoniaT, rom Cven vakuumSi varT.
araferi viciT da verafers
vxvdebiT, sinamdvileSi yvelam
kargad viciT afxazebis da
qarTvelebis erTad yofnis gasaRebi ruseTTan normaluri
urTierToba romaa.
_ batono dima, axlaxan
prezidentma ganacxada moviWri organoebs afxazeTis da
cxinvalis regionis sanacvlodo...
_ amaze komentari rogor
SeiZleba, kaci xom xedavT
agoniaSia! avadmyofi da samkurnaloa! vis ugzavnis Tavis
asos, sul ar momwons arc
medvedevi da arc putini. omi
gamoviare, Cemi TvaliT maqvs
yvelaferi nanaxi, sad iyvnen
eseni, Tundac saakaSvili im
dros? sad iyvnen saerTod es
garewrebi? ician sad aris
afxazeTi? Cems SvilTan erTad vibrZodi ruseTis winaaRmdeg! ramdeni adamianis sicocxle Seiwina im omma! ruseTs maswavlian eseni? ase
gvinda afxazeTis dabruneba?
viciT ruseTis xrikebi, magram msoflioSi pirveli qveynis sagareo saqmeTa ministri
rom gafrTxilebs, provokacias ar ayveo da Sen Sensas rom
ar iSli, visi bralia? rogor
SeiZleba atomis mefe qveyanas
omi mougo? konstantine gamsaxurdias aqvs genialurad
naTqvami: `ers, romelsac nacarqeqias zRapari aqvs, gadaSeneba ar uweriao~. ras gulisxmobda didi konstantine?
_ moqnilobas, Wkuas, xerxs.
_ samwuxaroa, rom xelovnebis nacvlad politikaze
gviwevs saubari.
_ xelovnebaze da Teatrze rogor vilaparakoT, roca
Cemi nacionaluri Teatri,
rusTavelis, aseT mdgomareobaSia. inglisSi, Seqspiris TeatrSi SegiSveben da cekvas an
sxva sanaxaobebs dagadgmevineben? an kulinariul gakveTilebs Cagatarebineben? an niWiers gamoavlenen? ar var imis
winaaRmdegi, magram aseTi RonisZiebebisTvis sxva darbazebis monaxva SeiZleba. iq simfoniur orkestrsac ar uSveben! imitom rom is Seqspiris
Teatria! amas Tavi davaneboT,
Teatridan uSveb msoflioSi
pirvel reJisors da sxva razea saubari? es gadacemebi
dramatul TeatrebSi ar unda
tardebodes, amisTvis gvaqvs
sxva darbazebi. magram es yvelaferi Segnebulad keTdeba,
radgan robert sturua radgan gavuSviT, axla Teatrs
bolomde CavwixlavT. imitomac kidev, rom rusTavelis
Teatri biZina ivaniSvilis gadarCenilia. gaxsovT, Teatris
Senoba mTlianad amortizebuli iyo. ramdenime dRis win
akaki xoravas saflavze viyavi
da movubodiSe, ver mogiareTmeTqi. misi suli rusTavelis
TeatrSi trialebs da iq viRac malaizieli saWmels akeTebs, viRac striptizs cekvavs. sad kaco, sadac Cveni
Teatraluri korifeebi gamodiodnen? ase vuvliT Cvens
warsuls, Cvens siamayes? erovnul Rirsebas?
vfiqrob, dRes urTierTlanZRvis dro ar aris. mec
bevri ar momwons opoziciaSi,
magram Cemgan kritika aravis
gaugia. dRes qvebis Segrovebis droa, rodesac yvelam erTad unda SevagrovoT, dawyebuli biZina ivaniSvilidan,
damTavrebuli nino burjanaZeTi. erTad unda davdgeT da
vakeToT saqme.
gia burduli
eTer xviCia erT-eerTi maTgania, vinac saqarTvel
lodan ucxoeTSi wasvl
la ekonomikuri problad gadawyvilemebis mosagvarebl
ta. didi xani ar aris, rac saberZneTSi `saerTo gazeTis~ erTli mkiTxvel
li, qal
lbat
toni eTegul
ri Tbil
lisSi dabrunda, amjerad
mudmivad sacxovrebl
lad da oriode dRis win redaqciaSic gvestumra. ra iyo Camosvl
lis real
luri mizezi da rogori Cans aTenidan saqarTvel
lo? am da sxva sakiTxebze eTer xviCia gvesaubreba.
_ saberZneTidanac kargad
Canda, rom saqarTveloSi yvelaferi ise ar iyo, rogorc ambobdnen. amitomac meubnebodnen _
xom ar Cqarob, jer, iqneb, wasvla ar Rirdeso, magram me dRes
aq var da saqarTvelodan wasuli uamravi adamiani elodeba axla `saerTo gazeTs~, rom gaigon, sinamdvileSi ra xdeba da
ra perspeqtiva elodeba ucxoeTidan dabrunebul adamians Tavis samSobloSi.
sanam wamovidodi, ramdenime
xniT adre saberZneTSi saqarTvelodan umaRlesi Tanamdebobis
pirebi Camovidnen. ise gvelaparaknen, gvegona saqarTveloSi,
ukve samoTxe iyo. bevrma gadawyvita maSin yvelafris mitoveba
da samSobloSi dabruneba dab-
me mainc mgonia, rom did
tyuilzea yvelaferi agebuli.
Zalian did farisevlobasa da
tyuilze da vwerdiT amaze saberZneTSi gamomaval qarTul gazeTSi `eladaSic~. saqme isaa,
rom ucxoeTSi yvela sakuTari
problemebis gamoa wasuli da
qveynis momavali bevrs ar awuxebs.
saakaSvils marTaven misi
patronebi, iseve, rogorc qarTul saelCoebs da sakonsulebs
marTavs es xelisufleba ucxoeTSi.
gaigos am xelisuflebam me,
eTer xviCia, ara var misi mteri. aramed var opoziciaSi da
msurs arCevnebis gziT Seicvalos xelisufleba. ramdenime
wuTis win damirekes aTenidan.
gugunebs opozicia:
saberZneTi
berZnebisTvis! moiTxoven _ ucxoelebi gavidnen saberZneTidan.
saqarTveloSi
gaubedavs vinme
msgavs manifestacias
erovnul
umciresobebs? is
ki ara, xelisufleba kanonebs iRebs erovnuli umciresobebis da-
ar viciT, ra iqneba 26 maiss,
magram ar SeiZleba ase, ivaniSvili iqiT atarebs Sekrebas,
burjanaZe gabrazda da CaSala
filarmoniaSi Sexvedra... vinc
ra unda, is Tqvas, SarSan 26 maiss nino burjanaZe gmiri iyo,
da xelisuflebamac da opoziacamac am dRis mimarT meti pasuxismgebloba gamoiCinos. sxvanairi dRea 26 maisi saqarTvelosTvis. da bolos da bolos samarTlebrivi Sefaseba unda mieces 90-iani wlebis movlenebs.
aTeulobiT gulanTebuli adamiania gadaxvewili saqarTvelodan
erovnuli xelisuflebis mxardaWerisTvis da maTi dabruneba
waadgeba qveyanas.
Cven vuRalateT erovnul xelisuflebas, Cven vuRalateT
wavediT TavmoyvareobaSelaxulebi
saqarTvelodan, davbrundiT da
kvlav Tavmoyvareobas gvilaxaven
runebis SemTxvevaSi 3000 evroTi daxmarebac cota ar aris.
saberZneTSi piradad koba
subelianisgan movismine, rom
swored es saministro gascemda
Tanxebs da rom Camovedi pirdapir batoni kobas uwyebaSi mivedi. 3000 evros nacvlad 2000
evro SemomTavazes, _ daniis
programa, romelic 3000 iTvaliswinebda, Seicvala, Tanac,
Cven yvelas ver vexmarebiTo.
ramdenimejer mivakiTxe saministros, magram meubnebian ise rogorc erT mSvenier qarTul
filmSia, `gekuTvniT, magram ar
gekuTvniT~.
biznesgegma
warmoadgineT,
soflis meurneobis ganviTarebisTviso, holandiur Zroxebze
da germanul Rorebzea laparaki, hibriduli simindis ar iyos.
fuls ar aZleven da undaT aCvenon, rom SeuZines ori Rori,
erTi Zroxa fuli ar modis Cvenamde, sadRac qreba. ager guSin
miTxres, rom momcemen, oRond
jer ara. amasobaSi arCevnebi iqneba, mere evrokavSiri an gamoagzavnis, an uars ityvis. ai, am
tyuilebs gaurbis xalxi, gaWirvebasTan erTad tyuils da
uimedobas gaurbis.
sacavad. saqarTveloSi ki nelnela qarTvelebi viricxebiT
umciresobaSi.
umciresobaSi
myofma osma da afxazma wagvarTva teritoriebi da umciresobaSi myofi somxebi da azerbaijanelebi iTxoven teritoriebs.
mivxedoT Cvens qveyanas, marto erTi klasikosis berad aRkveca ar niSnavs saerTo sinanuls, Cven bevri ram davaSaveT
erovnuli xelisuflebis winaSe, kerZod, zviad gamsaxurdias
winaSe, romelic ambobda: saxelmwifo dotaciaze vtoveb
jandacvas da ganaTlebas, radgan me janmrTeli da ganaTlebuli qarTvelebi mWirdebao.
aseT kacs aRudga iaraRiT inteligenciis warmomadgenlebi da
axla aris Cvens qveyanaSi isev
riaria.
axlovdeba 26 maisi, romelic merab kostavas dabadebis
da zviad gamsaxurdias prezidentad arCevis dRea. Cemi megobrebi agroveben Tanxas saberZneTSi. vapirebT orive didi patriotis saflavze mivideT da
Rirseulad mivagoT pativi maT
xsovnas, ise rogorc maT sulebs ekadreba.
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.ge
ze
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
sakuTar Tavs, amitom, rac ar
unda moxdes, arCevnebi da a.S.
yvelaferi absurdi iqneba.
aseTi cxovreba ar dagvidgeboda, metad gonivrulad rom
vyofiliyaviT 90-ian wlebSi.
axla Tbilisi Sendeba, magram
visTvis? Cems saxlTan axlos
umweoTa dasaxmareblad ufaso
supi rigdeba, yofili mecniermuSakebi am sasadilos xSiri
stumrebi arian.
me ki, erT Cveulebriv qarTvels, rac saberZneTidan Camovedi, arc erT uwyebaSi ilias,
akakis da iakobis eniT ar melaparakebian, dayenebuli imijiT,
dayenebuli metyvelebiT, ucxouri aqcentiT metyveleben Cveni
axalgazrdebi, romlebic Sinaganad ar arian qarTvelebi... amas
saberZneTSi arc erTi berZeni
ar gaakeTebs. Cemi TvaliT maqvs
nanaxi berZnebis damokidebuleba
saxelmwifos mimarT. maT saberZneTi berZenisTvis surT. Cven
erTxel vTqviT _`saqarTvelo
qarTvelebisTviso~ da lamisaa
gadagvayoles amas. saberZneTSi
vin gabedavs, rac gaakeTes amas
winaT parlamentis win azerbaijanelebma, rac uwodes jondi
baRaTurias, romelime qveyanaSi
umciresoba amas gabedavda? ratom irRveva Cems qveyanaSi Cemi
uflebebi?
wavediT TavmoyvareobaSelaxulebi saqarTvelodan, davbrundiT da kvlav Tavmoyvareobas gvilaxaven. saqarTvelos xelisufleba qarTveli xalxis
mtrad aris qceuli da Cemi azriT, ase Zlieri saxelmwifo
ver aSendeba.
ana vadaWkoria
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2 wlis saqarTvelos prezidentma piroba dado, rom mewarmeebs ukanonod gadaxdili dRgs xan ukan daubrunebdnen, magram
es piroba, rogorc mravali sxva, ausrulebeli darCa, radgan
finansTa saministros amisaTvis
saxsrebi arasodes ar gaaCnia.
prezidentma mewarmeebs isic
axara, rom dasabrunebeli (dRgze gadaxdili) biujetSi unda
gaweriliyo arc es gakeTebula,
mewarmeebs erTaderTi gamosavali rCebaT _ daTanxmdnen finansTa saministros SemoTavazebul
CaTvlis wesebze.
saakaSvilis dRg-Si gadaxdilis ukan dabrunebaze gacemulma
pirobebma specialistebs aTqmevina, rom xelisufleba aRiarebs
damatebiTi Rirebulebis gadasaxadebs.
`mrewvelebis~ lideri zurab
tyemalaZe acxadebs, rom sagadasaxado kodeqsSi dRg-s gadasaxadis dabrunebis procedura gamartivda. magram problema gaxda
Tanxis dabruneba. eqspert irakli SaviSvilis ganmartebiT, bevri mewarme dRg-s dabrunebis
moTxovnisagan Tavs ikavebs. _
eSiniaT maT kompaniebSi Semosavlebis samsaxurma egzekucia ar
Caataros. amis gamo midis daTmobaze gaakeTos CaTvlebi.
kidev erT eqsperts, daviT
narmanias miaCnia, rom dRg-s dabrunebis procesi usaSvelod
iweleba, mewarmeebs ki sakuTari
uflebebis dacvis aranairi saSualeba (sakanonmdeblo doneze)
ar gaaCniaT.
ekonomikis
specialistTa
ganmartebiT, kanoniT dRg-s gadasaxadi erT TveSi unda dabrundes, magram valebis darRvevisaTvis saxelmwifos aranairi
sanqciebi ar ekisreba. saxelmwifo da mewarmeebi araTanabar pirobebSi arian.
daucveli dasazRvevebi
xelisuflebam dazRveulebis uflebebis dasacavad,
qmediTi struqturebi dRemde ver (an ar) Seqmna. beneficiarebis didi nawili saxelmwifo
programebidan
ezRveva. aq ki monopolizmi
ikveTeba, askvnian eqspertebi
da amtkiceben, rom amgvari
damokidebuleba xarisxzec
axdens gavlenas.
is, rom sadazRvevo seqtorSi, yvelaferi wesrigSi
araa, prezidenti saakaSvilic aRiarebs. xSirad manipulaciebis Sedegad, dazRveulma ar icis, ras dafaravs dazRveva. `amitom TamaSis axal wesebs sTavazobT,
imisaTvis, rom sadazvevom
dazRveuli ar moatyuos~. _
acxadebs nacionalebis lideri.
sadazRvevoebSi ki acxadeben,
rom isini mosaxleobas ar atyueben. mzRvevelebis mimarT negatiuri ganwyobilebis mizezi is
aris, rom mosaxleoba sadazRvevoebisagn iTxovs ufro mets,
vidre maTi polisi iTvaliswinebs.
eqspertTa ganmartebiT, sadazRvevoebisadmi dazRveulebis
undobloba ganpirobebulia imiT,
rom xelisuflebam Tavi ver (an
ar) moaba efeqturi mediaciis
samsaxuris Seqmnas. sasamarTloSi davebi TveobiT iweleba. sarCelis Semtanma biujetSi sadao
Tanxis 3 procenti unda gadaixados. amas saadvokato xarjebi
emateba. amdeni nervebi da fuladi saxsrebi saCivris SemtanT
ara aqvT. yvelaferi ki ubralo,
prezidenti sityvebiT
umuSevrobas ebrZvis da
axal sagareo valebs iRebs
ufulo moqalaqis sawinaaRmdegod wydeba.
komunaluri momsaxurebis
tarifebs iseTive dacva
sWirdeba, rogorc
puris fass, radganac
isinic pirveladi
moxmarebis sagnebia
vidre saakaSvils Tbilisis
sakrebulos Tavmjdomared airCevdnen, Tu naTelaSvilis SemweobiT daniSnavdnen, pirobas debda, rom dedaqalaqSi gazi, eleqtroenergia, wyliT momarageba,
dasufTaveba erT TeTriTac ar
gaZvirdeboda. igive pirobas iZleoda sakrebulos Tavmjdomaris postzec. `vard-ekalosnebis~ xelisuflebaSi mosvlis
Semdeg saakaSvilis dapirebebi
daaviwyda. man mosaxleobas `qamrebis moWerisaken, mouwoda da
daiwyo fasebis `gaTavisufleba~.
pirvel rigSi, mateba pirveladi
moxmarebis sagnebs daetyo.
avadsaxsenebeli 2003 wlidan wylis tarifi 200 procentiT, xolo bunebrivi airis 250
procentiT gaizarda. dasufTavebis gadasaxadma arnaxul zRvars,
525 procents gadaaWarba.
gansakuTrebulia eleqtroenergiaze tarifis zrdis SemTxveva. is, rom deni ar unda gaZvirebuliyo saqarTvelos sakonstitucio sasamarTlos (#1-3136.30.12.02) gadawyvetilebaSi
iqna Cadebuli, magram vardosnebis struqturulma danamatma _
maregulirebelma komisiam yove-
lives ugulebelyofa moaxdina
da eleqtroenergiaze tarifi
nel-neli awevebiT 100 procentiT gazarda amasac ar dayabulda da tarifi samomxmareblo safexurebad dahyo, ramac safasuris gaZvireba 150 procentamde
aswia. iuristebis ganmartebiT,
sakonstitucio sasamarTlos gadawyvetilebis ugulebelyofa
(winamdebaris anulirebis gareSe) mZime saxis sisxlis samarTlis danaSaulia da isjeba soliduri vadiT patimrobis aRkveTiT.
sityviT sxva,
saqmiT _ sxva
`nacionalebi~ da maTi lideri cxare cremlebiT tirian umuSevarTa bedze da gulSi mjiRs
icemen (mxolod arCevnebis win),
rom siRaribesa da umuSevrobas
aRmofxvrian. maT am kuTxiT gadadgmul nabijad miaCniaT dasaqmebis `nacmouri~ proeqti, magram specialistebs mosalodneli
dasaqmeba droebiTad da wina saarCevno piarad aqvT warmodgenili da Tvlian, rom seriozul
Tanxebs uazrod yrian.
specialistebis ganmartebiT,
rodesac `nacionalebis~ mTeli
elita dasaqmebis problemebze
msjelobs, `Tavisufal asociaciaTa kavSirma~ centralur saarCevno (`sareferendumo~) komisiaSi gancxadeba Seitana moTxovniT, miecaT misTvis ufleba
Caetarebina referendumi umuSevarTaTvis Semweobis gacemis aucileblobis Taobaze.
`nacionalebis~ xeldasmulma
da `vardosnebiT~ dakompleqtebulma organom (cskom) moTxovnis gamcemT dokumentaciis registraciaze uari uTxra.
im motiviT, rom sareferendumo sakiTxi (umuSevarTaTvis Semweobebis gacema) ar warmoadgens saxelmwifoebrivi mniSvnelobis sakiTxs.
umuSevarTaTvis Semweobebis gacema, maTTvis
sayovelTaod aRiarebuli
daxmarebis formaa. amgvar
daxmarebebs
sxvadasxva
saxelmwifo sxvadasxva
vadebiTa da odenobiT
gascemen. dausaqmebelTaTvis daxmarebebs postsabWoTa qveynebSic iZlevian.
amgvar daxmarebebs adre saqarTveloSic gascemdnen. Semweobebs iRebdnen Sromis birJaze daregistrirebuli, magram `nacionalebma~ birJa `SevardnaZis gadmonaSTad~ CaTvales da gaauqmes.
yvela registrirebul umuSevars Seuwyda saxelmwifosgan
isedac mizeruli daxmareba.
marionet petriaSvilsac
ki Sercxva
umuSevarTa mravalricxovan
armias ar SeerTebis msurvelTa
arc ise dalxenili samuSao garemo-pirobebi aqvT. gansakuTrebiT es xelisuflebis mxridanmewarmeebis iZulebiT Tavs moxveul dasaqmebulebs exebaT. Catarebuli gamokvlevebiT, am kategoriis xalxs umetes SemTxvevebSi umkacresad eqcevian. diliT dagvianebaze an samsaxuridan ramdenime wuTiT adre wasvlaze sjian _ ZiriTadad, xelfa-
sebidan Tanxebs aWrian. gaigivebulia arasapatio da sapatio
gacdenebi. am SemTxvevaSic ekonomikuri sanqciebi moqmedebs.
rogorc irkveva, xelisuflebis rekomendaciiT, dasaqmebulebs sxvaTa msgavsad aranormirebuli samuSao dRis grafikiT
amuSaveben. xSirad gamohyavT
dasvenebisa da sadResaswaulo
dReebSi, yovelgvari damatebiTi
anazRaurebis gareSe.
xSir SemTxvevebSi, ufrosoba
axaldasaqmebulebs Tanxebis dazogvis momizezebiT, civ, nestian gausaZlisTan miaxloebul pirobebs uqmnis.
seriozuli problemaa Sromis anazRaurebis mxrivac. saqarTveloSi saerTod dasaqmebulTa
saSualo wliuri xelfasi 7200
laria. mkvlevarTa ganmartebiT,
am maCvenebels ZiriTadad `qaCaven~ maRali Tanamdebobis pirTa
uzomod gaberili xelfasebi,
gansakuTrebiT saxelmwifo seqtorSi, Cveni maCvenebeli mizerulia, Tundac krizisul mdgomareobaSi myof saberZneTSi dasaqmebulebTan SedarebiT _ 29
200 evro. CvenTan saerTo maCvenebelze bevrad dabalia xelisuflebis mier dasaqmebulTa
anazRaureba.
damsaqmebelTan odnavi pretenziis SemTxvevaSi mepatrones
pasuxi mzada aqvs _ ar mogwons,
wadi. Seucvleli aravinaa. iZulebiT Tavsmoxveul dasaqmebulebs xelisuflebis SiSiT,
ucebve ganTavisuflebas ver ubedaven. samagierod, iseT pirobebs
uqmnian, rom man TviTon daweros
gancxadeba wasvlaze.
specialistTa gancxadebiT,
ar arsebobs mepatronis Semakavebeli araviTari kanoni muSa-mosamsaxureebi sakanonmdeblo doneze arian daucveli. isini
mflobelebTan mimarTebaSi dakanonebul monur mdgomareobaSi
imyofebian da yovelives itanen
samuSaos dakargvis SiSiTa da
kabaluri Sromis kodeqsis gamo.
kanonmdebloba imdenad miaxloebulia baton-ymuri epoqis
kanonebTan, rom TviT `nacebis~
xeldasmulma profkavSiris Tavmjdomarem petriaSvilma piar
aqciaze `mSromelTa damkabalebeli~ saqarTvelos Sromis kodeqsi Sekrebili xalxis Tvalwin
daxia, magram petriaSvilis gundis saqmianoba amis iqiT aRar
wasula. rogorc gairkva aqciis
dRe yofila msoflio profesiuli kavSirebis mier gamocxadebuli `Tanadgomis dRe~. petriaSvilmac, ubralod, daamTxvia
aqcia am dRes da saerTaSoriso
profkavSirul moZraobas daanaxa, rom igi da mis xelSi uaRresad dakninebuli saqarTvelos
profkavSirebi jer kidev cocxlebi arian.
zaza bilixoZe
xalxis azriT
waago `sarkom~ arCevnebi da Rirseuladac
miiRo damarcxeba ar
eZaxis aravis bnel Zalebs mumiebs da moRalateebs. Cevenma maRalma demokratiis Suquram CarTos televizori da cota mainc iswavlos evropelebisgan rom gadagvWama Tavi Tavisi
bilwsityvaobiT.
sarwmuno wyarodan miviReT informacia merabiSvils ganucxadebia
quTaisSi regionalur
TaTbirze: `ToTo bavSvic dasaWeri rom gagvixdes, unda daviWiroT, es arCevnebi usikvdilod
unda movigoTo“
vaimeeee... ninooo WeliZeee...xaTunaaa WyoiZeee... vaxo... vaxo sad
xar, sixaruliZe...fsiqiatrebo, xo xarT, ami deda vatire, uSveleT am Cemis trulaialas rame Tvara gadelda na-
metnavaT da bodavs, bodaaaavs,
gazafxulze uWirs, etyoba, Zaan.
erTma sakrebulos wevrma vanidan (Sinauria)
de
ase miTxra, rom 500-d
adamiani yavdaT Camoyvanili vanidan, iqiraves avtobusebi da daxarjes uamravi resursi..
mSier xalxs 2 milioniani Sadrevani anaxes.. vai, Cvens patrons,
ra...
gia roiniSvili, nugzar ergemliZe da aha,
esec miemateba. asrulda mamuliCas natvra,
ukve parlamentari coli eyoleba.
sam xmaSi imRereben exla
parlamentSi. rava meilxens miSiko da biZo? daiSaqrebian sul,
angelozebi gegoneba rom ar icode, vinc arian. iqedan roiniSvili Semohkravs, aqedan nugzara
biWi da lelas venacvale, daagvirgvinebs.
18 saerTo gazeTi
sisxlis jgufi individualuri niSania, romelic erovnebis, sqqesisa da asakis ganurCevlad, yvela adamians axasiaTebs.
igi arapirdapir gansazR
Rvravs
organizmis zogad mdgomareobas,
mis kvebiT upiratesobasa da ama
Tu im daavadebebisadmi dadebiTad ganwyobas.
rodesac cnobilia daavadebaTa nusxa, romelic sisxlis
romelime jgufis mqqoneebs yvelaze xSirad axasiaTebs, es Zalian kargia, radgan garkveulwilad, adamiani winaswar emzadeba maT winaaR
Rmdeg sabrZolvelad, gacilebiT ukeT Seimecnebs am daavadebaTa profilaqqtikisa da mkurnalobis saSualebebsa da meTodebs.
maS ase, modiT, erTad gaverkvioT, Tu romel daavadebebze
migvaniSnebs Cveni sisxlis jgufi.
sisxlis
pirveli jgufi
sisxlis pirveli jgufi
Zlieri xasiaTis adamianebs axasiaTebs. mizandasaxulni, mtkiceni da sakuTar TavSi darwmunebulebi sakmaod medegni arian nevrozebisadmi da adviladac
janmrTeldebian; Tumca sxvebisgan ambiciurobiT, mtkivneuli
TavmoyvareobiTa da ramdenadme
gamoxatuli ampartavnebiT ganirCevnian.
meniuSi gansakuTrebiT didi
adgils uTmoben xorcsa da mis
produqtebs.
gaaCniaT Zlieri organizmi
da Cveulebriv, didxans cocxloben.
yvelaze xSirad awuxebT: hipertoniuli daavadeba, gastriti, kuWisa da Tormetgoja naw-
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
sisxlis jgufi da daavadebebi
yvelaze xSirad awuxebT: miokardiumis infarqti, aTerosklerozi, gulis iSemiuri daavadeba, RviZlisa da naRvlis buStis daavadebebi, gansakuTrebT
midrekilni arian sanaRvle
gzebSi qvebis warmoqmnisadmi,
xSirad awuxebT pnevmoniebi, radikuliti, osteoqondrozi, podagra, qronikuli gadaRlis
sindromi, leikozi, Trombozi,
tromboflebiti, qveda kidurebis endarteriiti, kariesi, furunkulebi, naadrevi dabereba,
qalebSi _ mastiti.
lavis wylulovani daavadeba,
arTriti, revmatizmi, aratravmuli sisxldena, farisebri jirkvlis disfunqcia, alergia da
hemofilia.
CamoTvlil daavadebaTa Soris gansakuTrebul yuradRebas
saWiroebs kuWisa da Tormetgoja nawlavis wylulovani daavadeba, radgan msoflioSi
wylulovani paTologiiT daavadebulTa 35 procents swored
sisxlis pirveli jgufis adamianebi Seadgenen.
arsebobs mosazreba, rom
pirveli jgufis sisxli xels
uwyobs kuWis lorwovan garsze
im membranuli receptorebis
ganviTarebas, romlebic metismetad mgrZnobiareni arian helikobaqteriisadmi. amitomac pirveli jgufis mqoneni advilad
emorCilebian daavadebis gamomwvevis neba-survils.
sisxlis meore jgufi
am jgufis warmomadgenlebi
metad komunikabelurni arian,
advilad eguebian ucxo garemos,
organulad erwymian nebismier
koleqtivs da gulgaxsnilobiTa da keTilganwyobiT advilad
iwveven simpaTiebs. maTze emociebi ver batonobs, isini saRad
azrovneben da civi gonebiT udgebian nebismier saqmes. maT SeiZleba endoT!
aSkara uaryofiT Tvisebad
SeiZleba miviCnioT sijiute da
is, rom ar SeuZliaT moduneba,
rac uqmniT kidec janmrTelobasTan dakavSirebul problemebs.
advilad elevian xorcsa da
mis produqtebs, upiratesobas
vegetarianul sakvebs aniWeben,
radgan ician, rom aseTi sakvebi
maT organizms gacilebiT uxdeba.
sisxlis mesame jgufi
am jgufis warmomadgenelTa
umravlesoba daxvewili, niWieri xalxia, gulgaxsnili da optimistia, axasiaTebs Taviseburi
ltolva Tavgadasavlebisadmi.
monotonuri cxovreba male bezrdebaT da mzad arian Zireuli
cvlilebebisTvisac ki.
aSkara uaryofiTi Tvisebaa
usazRvro individualizmi da
damoukideblobisadmi
uzomo
ltolva, rac xSirad maT daucvelsa da susts xdis.
am jgufis adamianebi etanebian xorcs, rZesa da mis produqtebs ganusazRvreli raodenobiT.
yvelaze xSirad awuxebT: angina, Sardgamomyofi sistemis
daavadebebi, enterokoliti, gansakuTrebiT xSiria msxvili nawlavis simsivneebi, naRvelkenWovani daavadeba, qolecistiti,
aTerosklerozi, alergia da kariesi.
kalciumi rom ar dagakldeT
kalciums sakmaod bevri,
farTod gavrcelebuli produqqti Seicavs, miuxedavad amisa,
misi miR
Reba sakvebis gziT mainc
garkveulwilad problemuria::
pirvel rigSi _ yvela produqqti ar Seicavs mas sakmarisi raodenobiT da meore _ kalciumis saWiro odenobis misaR
Rebad
aucilebelia normalurad funqcionirebdes organizmSi misi
utilizaciis (aTvisebis) fiziologiuri instancia.
kalciumis wyaroa
kalciumis SemcvelobiT liderobs: rZe, misi produqtebi,
yveli. garda imisa, rom Tavad
Seicaven didi raodenobiT minerals, sagrZnoblad aumjobeseben mis aTvisebas sxva produqtebidanac;
mSvenieri wyaroa: kvercxis
guli, kombosto, soio, mwvanili.
gaxsovdeT
rac ufro didi raodenobiT
kalciumi xvdeba organizmSi
mcenareul sakvebTan erTad, miT
karg dReSia Zvlovani qsovili.
mJave sakvebi aqveiTebs organizmSi kalciumis normalur
cvlas.
cxoveluri warmoSobis cximebi marTalia kalciumis mcire
dozebs Seicaven, magram sagrZnoblad aumjobeseben mis aTvisebas;
sasmeli wyali, yovel ylupi wylisa kalciums Seicavs,
gansakuTrebiT es wyarosa da
Wis wyalze iTqmis, romlis 1
litrSic 350-500 mg mineralia,
organizmi saWiro kalciumis
10-30% -s swored sasmeli
wyliT Rebulobs.
D vitamini da
mzis sxivebi
kalciumis Semcveli produqtiT kveba saqmis mxolod naxevaria. mTavari mineralis normaluri aTviseba gaxlavT, amisaTvis ki saWiroa D vitamini da
mzis sinaTle, romelic D vitaminis sinTezs uwyobs xels. samxreT raionebis mosaxleoba
praqtikulad ar etaneba rZesa
da mis nawarms, kalciumis deficits ki mainc ar ganicdian,
radgan maTi organizmi mzis sxivebis wyalobiT, ukanasknel miligramamde iTvisebs kalciumis
im umcires raodenobasac ki,
romelsac sakvebis meSveobiT
iRebs.
D vitaminis saWiro raodenoba miiReba 15-20 wuTiT mzis
sxivebqveS yofnisas, sruliad
sakmarisia mxolod saxeze da
zeda kidurebs xvdebodes mzis
sxivebi.
kalciumi
gansakuTrebiT
sWirdebaT
uZraoba kalciumis seriozul danakargs iwvevs, amitom
kalciumiT mdidari produqtebi
gansakuTrebiT sWirdebaT hipodinamiur _ naklebad moZrav
adamianebs, e.w. mjdomare profesiis warmomadgenlebs da maT,
visac garkveul mizezTa gamo,
garkveuli droiT woliTi reJimi uwevT.
stresi da infeqciuri daavadebebi sagrZnoblad aqveiTebs
sakvebidan kalciumis aTvisebis
xarisxs, amitom daZabul, rTul
periodebSi, momatebuli nervuli agznebadobis mqone pirebma,
danaklisis Sesavsebad kalciumis Semcveli gacilebiT meti
produqti unda miirTvan;
oflTan erTad organizmidan
didi raodenobiT gamoiyofa
kalciumi, amitom aqtiuri varjiSis Semdeg, saunaSi, ubralod sicxeSic ki misi kompensirebaa saWiro, amitom sportsmenebma da orTqlis abazanebis
moyvarulebma
yoveldRiurad
unda miiRon kalciumis Semcveli mineraluri wyali, civi rZe
da kefiri;
bevri dieta meniudan saerTod gamoricxavs kalciumis
Semcvel rZesa da mis nawarms,
parkosnebs, didi odenobiT kaloriebis gamo, amitom xangrZlivi dieta kalciumis Zlieri
deficitiT gamowveuli kidurebis krunCxvebiT
da kbilebis
dazianebiT rom ar dasruldes,
iseTi dietebi unda SearCioT,
romlebic zomieri raodenobiT
kalciumis Semcvel produqtebs
iTvaliswineben;
kalciumis aTvisebas sagrZnoblad arTulebs fosfatebi,
romlebsac uxvad Seicavs kokakola, kakao da sxva saxis gaziani sasmelebi, amitom zafxulSi gamagrilebeli sasmelebiT
gatacebisas, am mniSvnelovan
faqtorsac nu daiviwyebT;
da bolos, kalciumi advilad amarcxebs uZilobas, amaSi
Tavadac darwundebiT, Tu uZilobiT gawamebulebi Zilis win
sisxlis meoTxe jgufi
am jgufis warmomadgenelTa
ricxvi gacilebiT naklebia, vidre sxva jgufebisa. isini Zlieri da mravalmxriv niWieri,
gansakuTrebiT mimzidveli adamianebi arian. maTTan Tanacxovreba Zalzed advilia, axasiaTebT xasiaTis sirbile, keTilmosurneoba, gawonasworebuloba.
maTi sisuste vlindeba mudmiv Sinagan konfliqtebSi, rac
Zlier uqveiTebT TviTSefasebis
koeficients, meryevni arian da
eSiniaT siaxleebis.
mcire raodenobiT yvela
produqti uyvarT, Tumca erideben kuWisTvis mZimed mosanelebel sakvebs.
yvelaze xSirad awuxebT: angina, gripi, haimoriti, mwvave
respiratoruli
daavadebebi,
bronqiti, anemia, ekzema, hipertonia, gulis ukmarisoba, furunkulebi.
marTalia, sisxlis jgufi
garkveul informacias iZleva
kvebis, cxovrebis wesisa da daavadebebisadmi midrekilebis Sesaxeb, magram ar girCevT am rekomendaciaTa brmad mindobas,
radgan erTi da imave sisxlis
jgufis adamianebic ki, ama Tu
im TvisebaTa gamoxatvisas, sakmaod individualurni arian es
ubralod, zogadi informaciaa,
romelic sakuTari organizmis
ukeT Secnobasa da marTvaSi unda daixmaroT.
Wiqa rZes, patara naWer yvels
miirTmebT, dasaZinebeli preparatis nacvlad ki, girCevT, sulac kalciumis Semcveli erT
abi miiRoT.
kalciumiT mdidari
produqtebia:
100 ml rZe _ 150 mg;
100 grami araJani _ 100 mg;
100 ml vitaminizebuli forToxlis wveni _ 150 mg;
100 grami yveli _ 700 mg;
100 grami soios yveli tofu _ 230 mg;
100 grami iogurti _ 130 mg;
100 grami kombosto _ 150 mg;
100 grami yvavilovani kombosto _ 30 mg;
100 grami nayini _ 100 mg;
100 grami TeTri lobio _
95 mg;
100 grami wiTeli lobio _
35 mg;
100 grami nuSi _ 285 mg;
100 grami mzesumzira _ 100
mg;
100 grami Savi puri _ 323
mg;
100 grami oragulis konservi _ 290-310 mg;
100 grami halva _ 91 mg;
100 grami zeTis xili _ 88 m.
D vitaminiT mdidari
produqtebia:
100 grami oraguli _ 360
erT;
erTi kvercxis guli _ 25
erT;
erTi kovzi Tevzis qoni _
1360 erT.
moamzada
zviad RonRaZem.
saerTo gazeTi 19
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
msoflio presis mixedviT
sxvadasxva politika _
sxvadasxva gamokvleva: amerikeli mani pulatori saqarTvelosa da somxeTSi.
am dReebSi sainformacio
saagentom (Ðåãíóì) swored
aseTi saTauriT gamoaqveyna
vigen akopianis werili. yovelTvis sainteresoa iseTi
opusis komentireba, roca
igi yuradRebasa da mravalSrian analizs imsaxurebs.
werilis avtori konkretuli magaliTebiT afasebs
`rbili Zalebis~ amerikuli
institutebis
saqmianobas
saqarTvelosa da somxeTSi
da gamoaqvs mTavari daskvna:
`NDI-is `sociologTa~ Zalisxmevis Sedegad, saqarTveloSi Turme iseTi viTarebaa, rom saakaSvilis mowinaaRmdegeebs fexqveS miwa
eclebaT, xolo somxeTSi
xelisuflebis strategiuli mizani Tavidanve absurduli da miuRwevelia. urTierTobis ra etapze arian
axla amerikis SeerTebuli
Statebi saqarTvelos da
somxeTis xelisuflebasTan
da ra amocanebis gadawyvetas apireben momavalSi,
mkiTxvelma Tavadve ivaraudos~. am varaudebiT mivdivarT daskvnamde, rom amerikis SeerTebuli Statebi nacionaluri demokratiuli
institutisa (NDI) da soft power-is sxva instrumentebiT
yovelmxriv mxars uWers saakaSvilis
xelisuflebas
saqarTveloSi, xolo somxeTSi morigi feradi revoluciisTvis niadags amzadeben.
gaurkvevelia, ram ganapiroba aseTi strategia somxeTis mimarT, romelic egreT wodebul komplementarul, anu urTierTSemavsebel politikas atarebs da
romelsac amerikis SeerTebul StatebSi, mravalmilioniani diasporis saxiT,
sociologiuri gamokiTxvebis
safasuri samxreT kavkasiaSi
Zlieri resursi gaaCnia. es
erTaderTi kiTxva rodia,
romelic am opusis kiTxvis
mere giCndeba. bevrad ufro
saintereso sxva problemaa:
ramdenad
reprezentulia
sazogadoebis sociologiuri gamokiTxvebi, romlebsac
amerikuli institutebi atareben? nuTu marTla ar
sZulT sinamdvilis deformacia, romelsac vaSingtonSi, `zbignev bJezinskis feradi revoluciebis laboratoriaSi~ damuSavebuli sqemebisTvis mizanmimarTulad
iyeneben?
rasakvirvelia, SeiZleboda, gagveanalizebina Rrmaazrovani da urTierTgamomricxavi mosazrebebi imis
Sesaxeb, ratom da ra mizniT
daafiqsira NDI-m miliarder biZina ivaniSvilis reitingis vardna. nuTu simarTlea, TiTqos zemoT dasaxelebul
`laboratoriaSi~
gadawyvites (Sesabamisi gankargulebis Semdeg), rom saqarTveloSi feradi revoluciebis yovlisSemmusvreli meqanizmi jerjerobiT
ar aamuSaon, xolo somxeTSi
SesaZlebeli iqneba sxva variantebic?
yvela es sqema irRveva,
Tuki davuSvebT (Tundac
yvelaze Tamami hi potezis
saxiT), rom gamocdilma da
avtoritetulma amerikulma
organizaciam, mTels msoflioSi sakuTari avtoritetis damcvelma, ubralod daafiqsira is, rac sinamdvileSia _ reitingi marTlac
daeca. magram ratom? werilis avtori da misi qarTveli kolegebi rTul da
`konspirologiur~ pasuxs
iZlevian _ imitom, rom miiRes SekveTa `xelisuflebis
oponents `mouWiron~. amitomac, aseTi gamokTxvebis ndoba ar SeiZleba; xolo Tu
ivaniSvili arCevnebs waagebs, kidev erTxel gamoCndeba, ra veragi roli akisria amerikul institutebs
sxva qveynebis politikur
cxovrebaSi.
Cndeba
mniSvnelovani
kiTxvac: saqarTveloSi opo-
rad iyeneben demokratiuli
tradiciebis dasavlur saxelmwifoebSi.
mivaqcioT
yuradReba:
NDI-is monacemebiT, pirvel
adgilzea saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patriarqi, meoreze
_ Sinagan saqmeTa ministri
vano merabiSvili, mesameze _
Tbilisis meri gigi ugulava, meoTxeze _ prezidenti
mixeil saakaSvili. am reitingSi biZina ivaniSvils me-
ziciisTvis yelSi waWera da
piriqiT, masze zemoqmedeba
somxeTSi xelisuflebis Sesacvlelad, amerikis SeerTebuli StatebisTvis imdenad mniSvnelovania, rom mzad arian, NDI-is (da misi
partniorebis, maT Soris
Gallup) avtoriteti Seswiron mas, oRondac wamier mizans miaRwion im regionSi,
romelic amerikis strategiuli interesebis periferiul teritoriazea?
ufro swori iqneboda,
gvemsjela, ramdenad miesadageba postsabWoTa teritorias
sazogadoebrivi
kvlevis is meTodika, romelic SeimuSaves da aqtiu-
aTe adgili ergo. qarTveli
opozicionerebisTvisac es
reitingi aSkarad Seusabamoa realobasTan.
postsabWoTa teritoriaze xelisuflebis demokratiuli gziT Secvlis gamocdileba ar gaaCniaT da
qarTveli
(somexi, rusi,
azerbaijaneli) amomrCeveli
ver acnobierebs, rom urnaSi
Cagdebuli biuleteniT wydeba ara romelime abstraqtuli proeqtis, aramed misi
da misi Svilebis bedi. amitomac, postsabWoeli amomrCeveli xmas aZlevs yvelaze
martivi motivaciis gamo:
moswons Zlieri, warmatebuli, aqtiuri, saqmiani da rac
putinis istoriis gakveTilebi
vladimir putini, romelmac orSabaTs Tavisi
mesame saprezidento vadis aTvla daiwyo, ar gamoricxavs, rom 2018 wels
gadairCion; Tumca, misi
mtkicebiT, Zalauflebas
maSinve Seeleva, Tuki dainaxavs, rom xalxi mxars
aRar uWers.
putinis msgavsi mmarTvelebi Znelad Tmoben Zalauflebas _ Tundac imitom, rom memkvidreebi ar
aumxedrnen. Tanamedrove
istoria savsea aseTi magaliTebiT _ gvirgvindakargul diqtatorebs SeeZloT, bunebrivi sikvdiliT wasuliyvnen am qveynidan an
mSvidobianad gadamdgariyvnen. zogierTma es moaxerxa.
werilis avtori putins sTavazobs SesaZlo variantebis sias,
romelTa gamoyenebac mas SeuZlia.
varianti 1. qveyanaSi demokratia
daamkvidroT. ganis prezidentma
rolingsma mkveTrad Secvala qvey-
nis ganviTareba, igi orjer airCies
am Tanamdebobaze da pensiaze 2001
wels gavida.
varianti 2. uzrunvelyaviT `gza
gasasvlelisken~. daniel ortega,
wasvlamde cota xniT adre, yvela
partias SeuTanxmda, rom Tavs Seikavebdnen SurisZiebisgan. es 1990
wels iyo. 2006 da 2011 wlebSi igi
kvlav dabrunda nikaraguis
prezidentad.
varianti 3. ideqiT mtkiced. prezidenti mugabe, rogorc Cans, sicocxlis bolomde apirebs zimbabves
marTvas; savaraudod, mas
`Tanamdebobidan gasvlis~
strategia ar gaaCnia. misi
saidumlo aseTia: almasebis mopovebiT miRebuli mogeba mas exmareba, SeinarCunos masTan daaxloebulTa
da uSiSroebis ZalTa loialuroba.
varianti 4. SeqmeniT dinastia an erTpartiuli saxelmwifo. fidel kastrom
diqtatoruli uflebamosilebani RviZl Zmas gadasca. erTpartiulma sistemam ramdenime aTeuli weli iarseba sabWoTa kavSirSic.
putinis Zlieri Tvisebebis gaTvaliswinebiT, xelisuflebidan misi wasvlis dRe Zalzed Sors aris.
niu-iorkis universitetis profesor brius meskitis azriT, putins
mTavaria, Zalauflebis berketebis mqone adamiani; xalxi xmas aZlevs da ar acnobierebs, rom xelisufleba
ar unda iyos personificirebuli. xelisuflebas xmas
imitom aZleven, rom eSiniaT
cvlilebebis, destabilizaciis, aSinebT ucnobi saxeebi...
sinamdvileSi, reitingi
ecema ara mxolod imitom,
rom NDI sazogadoebrivi
azriT mani pulirebs, aramed
imitom, rom yofili sabWoTa
kavSiris teritoriaze mcxovrebi amomrCevlebi ver acnobierebn sakuTari Zalis
fass. maT eimedebaT xelisuflebis an misi oponentis
Zala; amitomac opozicias
gansakuTrebuli SemarTeba
marTebs.
axla ki mivadeqiT kidev
erT mTavar kiTxvas _ ramdenad relevanturia sazogadoebrivi azrisa da reitingebis kvleva, roca postsabWoTa sociums sxva sazogadoebebisTvis (faseulobebisa da demokratiis gamocdilebis sxva sistemebiT)
gankuTvnili meTodikiT ikvleven?
Znelad auxsni amerikel
sociologs, rom Tu xelisuflebas xmas aZleven, ara
imitom, rom eSiniaT an gansakuTrebulad uyvarT es
xelisufleba, prezidenti an
ministri; maT aSinebT kardinaluri gardaqmnebi da
ar sjeraT, rom daqsasuli
opozicia, Zlieri da moqmedi xelisuflebis fonze, mis
cxovrebas gaaumjobesebs da
qveynis saerTo mdgomareobas Secvlis.
vestnik kavkaza
Zalauflebis Sesustebis gansakuTrebuli stimuli ar gaaCnia, anu gamoiyenos pirveli varianti, radganac navTobis mopovebis Semosavali
metismetad didia saimisod, rom saaxloblos viwro wris mxardaWera
moi povos, anu gamoiyenos mesame varianti.
Teoriuli wiaRsvlebis nacvlad, gaTamaSdeba Zveli varianti _
adre Tu gvian, putini ruseTisTvis
Cveul meTods gamoiyenebs _ SearCevs misTvis loialur or adamians, romlebic mzad iqnebian, putins
aaridon devna-Seviwroeba da gaTamaSebul arCevnebze erT-erTi gaimarjvebs.
Tumca... gavixsenoT Ciles diqtator augusto pinoCetis badi _
man sicocxlis bolo wlebi sasamarTloSi gaatara... ase rom, `xelisuflebis datovebis~ kargad mofiqrebuli gegmac ifuSeba xolme.
`bevrs vkiTxulob, gansakuTrebiT istoriul wignebs, _ ganacxada pinoCetma dapatimrebamde cota
xniT adre, _ istoria gvaswavlis,
rom diqtatorebis bolo yovelTvis savalaloa~.
The Wall Street Journal
internetmimoxilva
moamzada g. WavWavaZem
24 saerTo gazeTi
20
xelisufleba uraniviT gam didrda, magram afeTqebas Tvi Ton ki ara, radiaqtiuli
sicruiT dasxivebuli xalxi
apirebs.
risi an visi bralia is,
rac ase meTodurad da mzakv rulad Semogvinaxes da ukve
Zval-r
rbilSi gaujda qveyanas?!
sazogadoebis yvela fenas
moedo da yovel CasunTqva-aamo sunTqvaze maxrCobela gveli viT gviWers salteebs da uf ro da ufro gvizRudavs si cocxlis niSansvets?!
metastazebi ise guluxvad
da myaradaa yvelgan gamjdari,
rom, etyoba, betonis satraba xo gzebsa da qalaqis prospeq tebs ki ara, soflis orRobe ebsa da sacalfexo bilikebsac
siamovnebiT iyenebs.
imdeni
yoveldRiurobas
SeSfoTeba moaqvs, rom yvelaf ris aRnusxvac ki SeuZlebeli
gaxda, araTu yovel maTganze
aucilebeli reaqcia, qmedebebi,
romlebic uwin nervebs giZa bavda da xmamaRla aprotesteb di, imdenad gaxSirda, rom Sen da uneburad eCvevi usamarT lobas, SiSs, siCumes...
kidev erTxel vikiTxoT,
ratom xdeba ase?! risi an vi si bralia es?! nawvimarze so koebiviT momravlebuli eqs pertebic ar zogaven Tavebs da
cdiloben, rac SeiZleba xmama Rali pasuxi gascen am kiTxvas.
erTmaneTs gamWriaxobaSi ki
ara, ufro xSirad originalo baSi ejibrebian da cdiloben,
sakuTari klaniviT
WeSmari tebac gaamravlon.
arada, WeSmariteba, TiTqos
mzeTunaxaviviT, erTaderTi da
ganumeorebeli unda iyos. Aase
araa?!
hoda, radgan asea, mec ga davwyvite, misi raodenoba
mkveTrad mainc Sevamciro da
gulwrfelad vaRiaro, rom
yvelaferi, rac dResdReobiT
Cvens Tavs xdeba da ra ubedu rebac gvWirs, mxolod da mxo lod Cemi bralia.
davazustoT! Cemi rogorc
pirovnebis ki ara, Cemi fata luri uiRblobis bralia.
da, qvemoT rasac davwer,
imas Tu yuradRebiT wai kiTxavT, darwmunebuli var,
Cems gulwrfel aRsarebas
Tqvenc daeTanxmebiT.
maS ase, viwyeb!
albaTobis Teoriis mixedviT, adamians xan unda umarTlebdes, xan _ ara; xan mwvane
unda aenTos, xan _ wiTeli.
Dda rac ufro xangZlivia
drois monakveTi, miT ufro metia maTi monacvleobis Tanafardobis albaToba.
visac ufro xSirad umarTlebs, imas iRblians veZaxiT da
visac SedarebiT iSviaTad, imas
_ uiRblos. Tumca erTic da
meorec sabolood mainc avadsaxsenebeli albaTobis Teoria-
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
Si mSvenivrad Tavsdeba, anu iRblianic iqaa da uiRbloc.
ai, me ki... xom amboben xolme, yvela wessa Tu kanons aqvs
gamonaklisi da es gamonaklisi
wess amtkicebso...
rogorc Cans, albaTobis
TeoriisTvis aseTi gamonaklisi me var, anu Cemi totaluri
uiRbloba yofiT doneze albaTobis Teoriis iRblianobas
amtkicebs.
Cemma iRblianobam ki ukve
didi xania, im zRvars gadaabija, romlis iqiTac guldawyvetis nacvlad xalisi iwyeba.
mec da Cemi megobrebic yoveli
morigi argamarTlebis Semdeg,
epizodi pirveli _
wamo, wavixemsoT...
morig sagastrolo turneSi
mivemgzavrebodiT, mgoni londonSi da moskovSi erTi Ramis
gaTeva gviwevda. es is droa,
roca sabWoTa kavSirs maja jer
kidev esinjeboda, magram saxeze
mkvdrisferi edo. moskovSi naSuadRevs CavfrindiT. sastumro `sevastopoli~ winaswar
gvqonda dajavSnili da male
nomrebSic gavnawildiT. cota
xanSi daTo abesaZem momakiTxa,
ar gSia, wamo, wavixemsoTo...
mec mSioda da wayolasac vapirebdi, Tumca naxevrad xumrobiT mainc vuTxari, wamogyvebo-
pirvelad, bunebrivia, Cvenive korpusis restorans CavakiTxeT meore sarTulze. `sanitarni den~ _ pirvelive restorani am warweriT Semogvegeba.
gaviRimeT da mezobel korpusSi gadavinacvleT. verc meore
restoranSi SevediT, adgilobriv orkestrs repeticia hqonda gagania lanCis dros. mesame
korpusSi ori restorani iyo,
erTi Cveulebrivi da meore _
Tevzeulis. Cven oriveze Tanaxma viyaviT, magram CveulebriSi
isev ar SegviSves _ qorwili
gvaqvs SekveTili da ver mogemsaxurebiTo. Tevzis restoranSi, SesvliT ki SevediT, magram
Temur
Wkuaseli
Tumca...
magrad vxalisobT xolme. Cems
uiRblobaze ukve legendebi
dadis, raRas aRar hyvebian
xolme, zogs tyuilsa da zogs
marTals, zogs aRaribeben,
zogsac piriqiT, amdidreben,
fantaziis mixedviT.
saqme iqamde mivida, rom
elementaruli survilis gamJRavneba Tu davapire, iseTis,
sxvebsac rom xels aZlevT, maSinve pirze xels amafareben,
oRond Sen ar Tqva, Torem yvelaferi wyalSi Cagveyrebao.
Tavi davaneboT axla, albaTobis ki ara, saerTod nebismier Teorias da praqtikuli magaliTebiT gavixalisoT urTierToba. aseTi gegma maqvs, jer
Cemi uiRblobis tomeulebidan
ramdenime epizods SemogTavazebT da mere imis axsnas Sevecdebi, ratom vibraleb me
imas, rac dRes Cvens galewil
da dalewil kaloze xdeba.
aqa ramdenime epizodi uiRblo kacis cxovrebidan...
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.ge
ze
SemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-z
di, magram jobda, uCemod gecada, CemTan erTad, didi Sansia,
mSivrebi davrCeT-meTqi. vTqvi
es da wamovdeqi, daTom ki sastumros bukleti damanaxva da
meubneba, modi aq da Caxede
amas, sastumro, Zmao, sami korpusisgan Sedgeba. ager, a, pirveli, meore da mesame... samive
korpusSi erTad aris 4 restorani, 6 kafe da 19 bufeti, SevkriboT... ra gamogvdis?! kvebis
29 obieqti da Sen mimtkiceb,
rom saWmels ver SevWamT?! wamodi, wamodi... me ganaxveb, SevWamT Tu ver SevWamT. raRaca ki
gamomatanes saxlidan, magram
aRar minda es xaWapuri da moxarSuli dedali, raRac aqauri, rusuli momenatrao...
madridSic rom mimtkicebdi,
dedamiwis zurgze Tu vinme rames amzadebs, am maRaziaSi yvelaferi iyidebao, is Tu gaxsovs, Sevubrune sityva, maxsovso, dameTanxma. mere?! Cemi saaTis elementi hqondaT?! ar
hqondaT, magram... isic kargad
maxsovs, gamyidvels ra daemarTa, yviroda, ara, es warmoudgeneliao... gaxsovs, ramdeni
eZeba da ra saxe hqonda?! hoda,
ager naxav, cota xnis Semdeg
Senc Tu iseTi saxe ar geqnebameTqi... ixtibari ar gavitexe,
Torem, Tqven ggoniaT, marTla
mjeroda imis, rasac vambobdi?!
ara, ra Tqma unda.
daviZariT, mokled, me da
daTo.
damarilebuli qaSayis garda,
veraferi SemogvTavazes. samagierod, Tavazianad dagvaimedes,
xval ueWvelad gveqneba yvelaferi da mobrZandiTo...
restornebze rom xeli mogvecara, kafeebze gadaverTeT.
pirvelive kafeSi ar SegviSves,
parikmaxerebis konkursi imarTeboda. meoreSi is mSobliuri
warwera dagvxvda _ `sanitarni
den~!
mesame kafeSi mTeli WurWeli Tavisive dana-CangliT ratomRac iatakze elaga da iq
rogorRa SevidodiT. meoTxes
rom Tvali SevavleT, vifiqreT,
egaa da gagvimarTlao, aSkarad
xalxi iyo SigniT. aRmoCnda,
rom viRacebs uCxubiaT da gamoZaxebuli milicia mowmeebs
kiTxavda. mexuTeSi amxanaguri
sasamarTlo tardeboda. meeqvse
ki saRamos 7 saaTamde daketili iyo.
kafeebzec rom mogvecara
xeli, daTo cota ki daeWvda,
es ra xdebao, magram ixtibari
ar gaitexa da axla bufetebze
mivitaneT ieriSi. TandaTan SemoviareT yvela korpusis yvela
sabufete, magram xemsi rom xemsia, isic ki versad movixelTeT. zogan Sesveneba iyo, zogs
ubralod boqlomi edo, zogan
ybadaRebuli warwerebi, an `aRwera~, an `sanitarni den~ da
erT-or karze ki furceli dagvxvda gakruli, naxevar saaTSi
davbrundebio...
me ukve mwared mecineba, daTos ki vatyob, saxe sadacaa waeSleba da im madrideli espaneliviT burtyunebs, ara, es marTla warmoudgeneliao... miadga
mere romeliRac sarTulis moriges da jiqur hkiTxa: _ Tu
SeiZleba gamagebineT, ai axla,
am wuTas Tqvens sastumroSi
SemiZlia Tu ara rame SevWamoo... ra Tqma undao, daTosgan
gansxvavebiT mSvidad gvipasuxa
sarTulis morigem, _ SediT
derefnis boloSi liftSi da
adiT me-19 sarTulze, im sarTulze bufeti saerTod ar
iketeba, dRedaRam muSaobso...
daTos madlobis Tqmac daaviwyda, ise gavarda liftisken.
liftidan gamosulebs pirdapir TvalebSi gveZgera warwera,
_ `bufet rabotaet kruglosutoCno~. warweris qvemoT ki
msuye isari gviCvenebda xsnis
mimarTulebas. me davwinaurdi,
daTo sakmaod Camovitove da
bufetis karsac pirveli mivadeqi. Sevxede da damewyo kidevac isterikuli sicilis Semoteva. daTo sicilSi ki gzaSive
amyva, magram roca movida da
karze mimagrebuli warwera imanac waikiTxa, maSin xom saerTod CabJirda. iciT, ra ewera
karze?! `bufetCik bolen~. ase
damTavrda Cveni waxemsebis uiRblo istoria, Tumca...
epizodi meore _
wyaroze Cagiyvan da...
zafxulia. cxela. me da Cemi megobari Tbilisis aeroportis administraciis SenobasTan
axlos manqanaSi vsxedvarT. im
SenobaSi erTi Cemi nacnobi muSaobs, imasTan varT raRac saqmeze misulebi, magram stumrebi
hyavs da velodebiT, dagvpirda,
male gavuSvebo... iqve, dabali
Robis gadaRma, ezoSi onkani
mosCans. viRac qalbatoni vedroTi xelSi miuaxlovda, wyali guluxvad mouSva da mZlavrma nakadma vedro wamebSi gaavso. TiTqos manqanaSic SemoaRwia wylis sigrilem. qalbatonma ki wyali saxezec Seisxa, Tavi gaigrila da wavida.
avwrialdi, avwrialdi da
megobars veubnebi, au, rogori
siamovnebiT
davlevdi
mag
wyals, etyoba civicaa, magram
riTi?! carieli boTli mainc
megdos sadme-meTqi.
gadaval, sabargulSi vnaxavo, _ miTxra megobarma, magram
SevaCere: _ tyuilad irjebi,
ar maqvs. Tanac, romc megulebodes, Cemi ambavi xom ici, roca mWirdeba rame, zustad maSin
gaqreba-meTqi.
Cavxedav mainco da... cota
xnis Semdeg litranaxevriani
boTliT da eSmakuri RimiliT
dabrunda.
_ gamoricxulia. ara?! kidev ityvi, bedi ar maqvso?! Sexede rogoria, gamorecxvac ar
unda... gadaxta Robeze, mouSva
onkani, boTli saguldagulod
mainc gamorecxa, Tan ramdenjerme mec eSmakurad gamomxeda.
me ki wyurvili ise gamiZlierda, rom yeli amewva. iman ki
boTli ramdenjerme mZlavrad
daiqnia, narecxi wylisgan dawrita da onkans asavsebad SeuSvira Tu ara... wyalic Sewyda.
SerCa is garecxil-gamowretili boTli xelSi carieli. es
orivesTvis imdenad moulodnelad moxda, rom erTmaneTs karga xans gaognebulebi vucqer-
saerTo gazeTi 21
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
diT da aseve karga xans xmasac
ver viRebdiT. mere me tradiciulad mwared gamecina, iman ki
pirjvari gadaiwera da Robes
gadmoaxta.
Tumca...
epizodi mesame _
bzikis geografia
kaxeTSi var stumrad. fericvaleba axali Cavlilia, agrilda da xilsac gemo Seecvala. saxlis ukan ezoSi, msxlis
xis qveS gvidgas patara magida
me da Cems kaxel megobars. aTas
rameze saubriT virTobT Tavs
da SigadaSig patara Wiqebsac
veTamaSebiT.
profesiiT inJineria Cemi
kaxeli Zmakaci, magram im yaidis
xalxidanaa, yvelaferi rom
ician amqveynad da yvelaferze
rom aqvT pasuxi. axla amas kaxuri sijiutec daamateT...
azrs verafriT Seacvlevineb.
sxva mxriv, icocxle _ gatana,
erTguleba, stumris siyvaruli, iumori... yvelaferi Tavis
adgilzea. msxalze vkiTxe da
gulabiao, mipasuxa. gulabi manamdec bevri gamesinja, magram
es imdenad gansxvavebli iyo,
cota ar iyos, eWvi Semepara
mis naTqvamSi. garegnuladac ar
hgavda gulabs. iciT, rogori
forma hqonda? Taflis kasrSi
axladamovlebul xis kovzs baraqiani wveTi TavkombalasaviT
rom Camoekideba, msxvil Tavs
rom waigrZelebs da bolosken
TandaTan wvrildeba, ai, zustad aseTi formisa iyo is msxali. sxvaTa Soris, gemoc Taflisa hqonda. pirSi Tavs moixelTebda Tu ara, dauReWavad
dneboda.
_ ara, Zmao, araa es gulabi, mxolod gulabi. am msxlisTvis es erTi saxeli naRdad
araa sakmarisi, kidev unda erqvas rame. vTqvaT, gulabic erqvas da RviZlabic...
_ RviZlabi ara, kuWlabi...
geubnebi, gulabia-meTqi. papaCemic egre eZaxda. Sen ki... gana
ar vici, namdvili urwmuno Toma xar. aqeT rom movdiodiT da
CineTi ukrainas esazRvreba-meTqi rom giTxari, kinaRam manqanidan gadamixti...
_ axla me momismine: es
msxali iqneb marTlac gulabia,
magram rac Seexeba CineTsa da
ukrainas... uux! erTi Seni geografiis maswavlebeli Semaxvedra sadme da mere me vicode da
iman. ra unda, biWo, CineTs ukrainasTan-meTqi. adre mec mase
megonao, Cemma Zmakacma, magram
amaswineebze `vis unda oci aTasi~ iyo televizorSi, zustad
eg ikiTxes da me raRas merCio...
CamoTvlili iyo am oTxi qveynidan romeli esazRvreba CineTso...
_ mere?
_ mere isa, roma ukrainao,
gaige?!
_ me ki gavige, magram etyoba Sen ver gaige kiTxva wesierad. piriqiT iqneboda, ukuRma!
romeli esazRvrebao ki ara,
romeli ar esazRrebao, amas
ikiTxavdnen. ukuRma, asineTa,
ukuRma! Tanac nasvamic iqnebodi. ici, ras getyvi? modi, arc
Seni da arc Cemi... _ xumrobis
xasiaTze davdeqi moulodnelad: ager, am bziks xom xedav...
_ vxedav, maS!
_ hoda, Cven Soris vin marTalia da vin mtyuani, modi, am
bzikma gaarkvios-meTqi.
_ eg rogoro, _ mekiTxeba
maspinZeli.
_ rogor da, Cven Soris
mtyuans am bzikma ukbinos-meTqi.
sityva damTavrebuli ar
mqonda da rogor fiqrobT, ra
moxdeboda?? ra da zed cxvirze damafrinda bziki da gulianad damnestra. me tkivilisgan
wamovxti da gulabis garSemo
sirbili daviwye. iseTi SegrZneba mqonda, TiTqos gaxurebuli Samfuris wveri momaWires
cxvirze. Cemi keTili maspinZeli lamis sicilisgan daixrCo.
im dRidan moyolebuli, erTi
kvira, sakuTari cxviris iqiT
verafers vxedavdi.
Tumca...
epizodi meoTxe _
Ramis Teva liftSi
da isev zafxuli... qobuleTi. `qarTuli xmebi~ sastumro
`inturistis~ zeda sarTulebze vcxovrobT. es is periodia,
Suqi rom sixarulobanas gveTamaSeba. mova, cota xniT gagvaxalisebs, mere gvetyvis, geyofaTo da karga xniT migvatovebs.
mere isev moulodnelad agvaJriamulebs da ase grZeldeba.
midis _ modis, midis _ modis...
wava, atydeba liftSi lokaluri wivil-kivili, mova da mTel
sastumros sixarulis yiJina
moswydeba-xolme. mokled, aSkarad gaxalisda cxovreba. melifte mudmivad morigeobs,
dRisiTac da RamiTac _ liftSi gaWedili xalxi gamohyavs
gareT. cxovreba ki gaxalisda,
magram Cems Tavs rom raRac ucnauri xdeba, amasac vatyob.
liftSi ara da ar viWedebi.
rogoria?! Cemi iRblis patroni, mgoni, mTel sastumroSi
mxolod me davrCi liftSi gauWedavi. diliT, sauzmeze gamovCndebi Tu ara, biWebi maSinve mecemian xolme: ha, gaiWede?!
kidev ara?! saswaulia, sityva
aRar dagcdes uiRblobaze,
Cven, sul cota, sam-samjer gaviWedeT ukve da Sen ambob, bedi ar maqvso?!
vatyob, raRaca xdeba Cems
Tavs da nerviulobisgan uZiloba damewyo. Tqven warmoidgineT, liftiT mgzavrobasac movuxSire, mWirdeba Tu ara, mainc Sevdivar, egeb, gaviWedo da
amovisunTqo-meTqi, magram... gagigonia?! amasobaSi qobuleTSi
Cveni yofnis vadac miilia, bolo saRamos baTumidan davbrundi, Ramis 3 saaTia. sastumros
foieSi erTaderTi kaci dgas
da lifts elodeba. lifti
rom daiZra, vatyob, Cemi Tanamgzavri aSkarad nerviulobs, gaWedvis eSinia-meTqi, gavifiqre.
es fiqri damTavrebuli ar
mqonda, sinaTlec Caqra. gaqvavda lifti. moulodnelad, ukun
sibneleSi, Cemma Tanamgzavrma
xmamaRla gineba daiwyo. mkvdarsa da cocxals aginebs viRacas
da rogorc mogvianebiT gavarkvie, is viRac qobuleTis elqselebis ufrosi yofila. dawynardi-meTqi, misi damSvideba
vcade, qvemoT liftiori morigeobs da cota xanSi gagviyvans
aqedan-meTqi. pasuxad jer isev
im viRacas Seagina, cotaTi xmadabla da mere Cem gasagonad
Tqva: qvemoT rom liftiori
morigeobs, is liftiori me varo...
gaognebisagan xma Camiwyda.
is ki agrZelebs _ sinaTle Tu
movida, xom kargi, Tu arada,
dilamde mogviwevs aq yofna,
diliT Cemi `smenSiki~ movao.
magari perspeqtiva mesaxeboda, Tumca...
epizodi mexuTe _
Coxa da `mzeTunaxavi~
roca `qarTul xmebs~ gastrolebi gauxSirda da weliwadSi or-samjer uwevda ucxoeTSi gamgzavreba, windaxedulobis gamo, Coxa-axaluxs CemodanSi arasodes vdebdi. yovelTvis TviTmfrinavis salonSi amqonda. ramdenjerme miTxres biWebma, ras daaTrev am Coxas win da ukan, Tavs ratom
iwuxeb, Cade CemodanSi da Caabareo... dawynardiT, Cemi saqmisa me vici-meTqi. Cavdeb, Cavabareb da Cemi iRblis gadamkide
daikargeba-meTqi.
kargi erTio, miTxres, amdeni welia, naxevarjer haerSi
varT, erTi SemTxveva mainc gaixsene, rom vinmes Cemodani dakarguliyos. sxvaTa Soris, arc
Senio... saqmec egaa, Coxa rom
salonSi amaqvs, Cemodanic imitom ar ikargeba-meTqi, ixtibars ar vitex. mokled, bolos
mainc Semabes eJvani, modi, erTxel vcadoT, Tu marTla rame
moxda, xmas aRarasodes amoviRebTo...
morigi gamgzavrebis win sagangebod iseTi Cemodani viyide,
iseTi feris, rom kilometridan vcnobdi _ mewamuli feris
iyo da namdvili TeTri yvaviviT moCanda sxva Cemodnebs Soris. biWebma magrad imxiarules
mis danaxvaze, magram mSvidad
avuxseni, jer erTi, bargis miRebis dros Soridanve SevamCnev, meorec, wesiT, am feris Cemodnis yidvis survili aravis
unda gauCndes da vinmes rom
aerios da Tavisi egonos, gamoricxulia. gaigeT axla-meTqi?!
gagebiT ki gaiges, magram magaT oRond saRadao da samasxro mieci da... adgnen da Cems Cemodans `mzeTunaxavi~ daarqves.
moments ar uSvebdnen, rom ar
exsenebinaT _ `mzeTunaxavi~ sadaa, `mzeTunaxavi~ ar dagvrCes,
`mzeTunaxavi~ Caabare...
Cavabare, mokled, Coxiani
`mzeTunaxavi~ TbilisSi da gavfrindiT parizSi. gzaSi biWebs
veubnebi, ager me da ager Tqven,
aba, vnaxoT, Tu Camova Cemi
`mzeTunaxavi~ parizSi-meTqi.
imdeni vixumreT am Temaze, imdenjer vimsjeleT, visgan SeiZleboda gvenaTxovra safrangeTSi Coxa, vinicobaa marTla dakarguliyo Cveni `mzeTunaxavi~,
rom bolo da bolos, roca CavaRwieT Sarl de-golis aero-
portSi da bargs velodebodiT,
yvelani erTgvarad daZabulebi
SevcqerodiT, gamoCndeboda Tu
ara Cemi Cemodani.
gamoCnda! marTlac mzeTunaxaviviT Tavmomwoned anaTebda
sxva uRimRamo Cemodnebs Soris.
biWebma taSi dascxes da sul
male Jozefa martelisac gadavexvieT, Cvens impresarios.
aeroportidan pirdapir rkinigzis sadgurSi wavediT masTan
erTad. qalaq viSiSi mivemgzavrebodiT, am qalaqidan viwyebdiT gastrolebs. viSi Tavisi
wylebiT aris cnobili, ase
vTqvaT, safrangeTis borjomia.
operis saucxoo SenobiTac
cnobilia. Casvlidan meore
dRes, zustad im operis TeatrSi gvaqvs koncerti. viSiSi
rom CavediT, saRamo iyo. nomerSi Sevedi Tu ara, maSinve Cemodani davagde sawolze, Cveni
dauwereli kanonis mixedviT,
pirveli, rasac vakeTebT, Coxas
viRebT Cemodnidan, sakidze vkidebT da vnamavT, kargad rom
gaswordes. hoda, mec zustad
am mizniT gavxseni Cemi `mzeTunaxavi~ da... pirveli, rac iqidan amomyva, marTlac rom mzeTunaxavis saferi vardisferi
atlasis lifi iyo. miWiravs
xelSi da gaSterebuli vuyureb. meore xeli instinqturad
mkerdze movisvi, sxvaganac vapirebdi, magram kidev kargi, droze gamoverkvie. morCa, daviRupeT-meTqi, Cavilaparake. mere,
imedis raRac naglejiT, mainc
Cavxede Cemodans, iqneb viRac
mexumra-meTqi, magram ar iyo saxumarod saqme, aSkarad viRac
qalbatonis Cemodani medo sawolze. parizidan, anu Cemi Cemodnis savaraudo samyofelidan, RmerTma uwyis, ramden aseul kilometrSi. ra ginda, rom
qna?! koncerti xval gvaqvs... me
Sen getyvi, ipovi amis patrons
da moaswreb gacvlas... avtexe
wiokoba, Sevyare yvela, aha,
Zmao, arc axla daijerebT-meTqi!? rom daiCemeT, Caabare, Caabareo, midiT da miSoveT axla
Coxa...
biWebs am situaciaSic aRmoaCndaT iumoris xalisi, neta,
im qalis saxe dagvanaxva, Cemodans rom gaxsnida da Coxas
amoiRebdao...
mokled, ki vxumrobdiT,
magram aSkarad cud dReSi viyaviT yvelani.
Tumcaa...
epizodi meeqvse _
bulgareTSi
ra gindoda...
axla veRar vixseneb, ra
gvindoda bulgareTSi, gastrolebi rom ar iyo, es naRdad
maxsovs, radgan `qarTuli xmebidan~ Cem garda mxolod gia
WiraqaZe, gogi doliZe da zurab lolaZe iyvnen, sxvebi ara.
asea Tu isea, iq yofnis ZiriTadi dro, maxsovs, saxelganTqmul `oqros qviSis~ sanapiroze unda gagvetarebina, Tumca or Rames dedaqalaqSic vaTevdiT. swored sofiaSi gagvatana erTma aqaurma megobarma
iqaur megobarTan qarTuli suvenirebi _ rom CaxvalT, daurekeT, imas Cemi yuradReba gauxardeba, Tqven kidev, kargi maspinZeli geyolebaTo, gvTxova
me, gogi doliZesa da zurab
22 gv.
22 saerTo gazeTi
21 gv.
lolaZes. sofiaSi sastumroSi
davbinavdiT Tu ara, samivem erT
nomerSi moviyareTY Tavi da im
kacTan darekva davapireT. meubnebian biWebi, midi, Sen daureke, Sen ufro dalagebulad
auxsni, uTxari, rac xdeba da
barem sastumroSi mogvakiTxoso.
me ki sruliad seriozulad
vpasuxob, damijereT, me nu damarekvinebT, guli migrZnobs,
raRac ucnauri moxdeba, rogorc yovelTvis _ an sxvagan
movxvdebi, an misi telefoni ar
imuSavebs, an yurmils aravin
aiRebs, an is kaci sadRac iqneba wasuli. Tu gindaT, rom yvelaferi normalurad iyos,
Tqvengan erT-erTma darekosmeTqi.
gogis ecineba da mexveweba,
midi, midi, Sen dareke, `prosto~, sainteresoa, marTla moxdeba rame Tu arao... Tu marTla moxda rame, meored darekvas xels ra uSliso.
viReb yurmils, gogi ki nomers mkarnaxobs...
biWos! kacis xmaa... mgoni,
gagvimarTla-meTqi, swrafad Cavulaparake biWebs yurmilis gareT... im kacs ki, rac SeiZleba
seriozuli xmiT vekiTxebi: esa
da es brZandebiT-meTqi?
arao, mipasuxa. me misi siZe
var da iqneb miTxraT vin
kiTxulobso...
Tqven me ar micnobT-meTqi
da... yvelaferi detalurad
avuxseni. arc imis Tqma damviwyebia, romel sastumroSi
viyaviT...
gulisyuriT momismina siZem
da mere iseTi ram miTxra, yurmili gamivarda xelidan... biWebi ki cnobismoyvare saxeebiT
Semomcqerian...
mokvda!
vin mokvda... rogor... aba,
vis elaparake...
vis da... siZe iyo. is kaci ki
naxevari saaTis win momkvdara...
xom giTxariT, me nu damarekineb-meTqi, movkali kaci...
cota xani SevyurebdiT erTmaneTs da mere, RmerTo gvapatie, lamis isterikaSi CavcvivdiT, imdeni vicineT. kargad
mesmis da geTanxmebiT, ver iyo
mTlad zneobrivi saqcieli, magram ase iyo da tyuils xom ver
gakadrebT...
Tumca...
epizodi meSvide _
musikam dayvinTa
es ambavi im dros xdeba,
roca yvelaferis Sovna iyo saWiro, sityva `viyide~ rom saerTod gaqra leqsikonidan da
igi `viSovem~ Caanacvla. rogorc Cans, xelisufleba iribad zrunavda Cvens gabednierebaze, Tu rames kargs iSovidi,
bednieric iyavi, Tavmomwonec
da amayic.
Tqven warmoidgineT, musika
rom musikaa, isic deficiti
iyo. kargi musikac unda geSova.
nodar paladaSvili gvyavda
maSin televiziaSi, melomani da
marifaTiani biWi, acxonos
RmerTma. dediT qarTveli, mamiT
ebraeli. Tu Tavad hkiTxavdi _
sadauri xaro, RimiliT gipasuxebda, ar vicio, radgan ebraelebi qarTvelad mTvlian da
qarTvelebi _ ebraelado.
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
am nodar paladaSvils siZe
hyavda amerikeli, dis qmari. moments ar gauSvebda xelidan, ar
waetrabaxa, Cemi siZe amerikis
fexburTelTa olimpiuri nakrebis eqimiao. swored es eqimi
siZe ugzavnida nodars rCeul
albomebs rCeuli musikiT. ase
rom, kargi musikis Sovna Tu
gindoda, aqve axlos, sololakSi, anu nodar paladaSvilTan unda geZebna.
bevri viCaliCe Tu cota,
mec movipove Cveni sololakeli melomanis keTilganwyoba da
erT mSvenier dRes ubednieresi
kaci gavxdi, xumroba saqme xom
ar iyo, axalTaxali, maqsvelis
firmis SesaniSnavi musikiT ga-
swored ilikom miTxra, Seni kasetebis wamoReba ar dagaviwydeso. Tormetive wamoiRe,
vnaxoT, romeli moewoneba stumarso...
saRamos,
qalaqSi
rom
vbrundebodiT, Cemi kasetebi
movagrove da momaqvs. meubneba
iliko, xvalac aq amovdivarT
da eg kasetebi barem dagetovebina iaxtazeo...
davtovebdi, iliko, magram
ra vici, rame ar moxdes, Cemi
bedis ambavi xom ici, am kasetebis Tavmoyras ki eqvsi Tve movundi-meTqi.
_ biWo, am iaxtas 16 kaci
yaraulobs Rame, ase rom, eg
Seni kasetebi aq ufro uxifa-
ZeZgili 12 audiokaseta Cavigde
xelSi.
erT dRes televizias morigi maRali rangis stumari ewvia, Tanac qalbatoni.
gogi doliZe, gia WiraqaZe,
zurab lolaZe da me, marTalia
maSin teleJurnalistebi gaxldiT, magram Zalian xSirad maspinZlebadac `vmuSaobdiT~ xolme, gansakuTebiT SabaT-kviras.
axlac gadawyda, rom stumar qalbatonTan erTad SabaTi
da kvirac Tbilisis zRvaze
iaxtaze gagvetarebina qarTvel
iaxtsmenTa maSindel lider,
baton iliko feraZesTan erTad.
Tod iqneba, vidre didubeSi me8 sarTulze, _ gaocda iliko.
raRa meqna?! kargi, kargimeTqi, CaviburdRune da kasetebiani parki gadavawode, aha da
kargad Cakete-meTqi.
im Rames iaxta CaiZira!
diliT zRvaze rom avediT,
buxtaSi mxolod Cveni iaxtis
anZis wveri da mis garSemo oblad motivtive Cemi Tormetive
kaseta moCanda.
cota xans gaognebulebi
SevcqerodiT am suraTs da mere ilikom mSvidad Tqva: dayvinTa Senma musikamo...
es, albaT, bolo wveTi iyo,
situaciis absurdulobam sicilis xasiaTze dagvayena da yvelani, vinc maSin napirze videqiT, didxans da gulianad vicinodiT.
Tumca...
epizodi merve,
romelic jer
ar damTavrebula
da, romelic agvixsnis Tu
ratomaa saqarTvelo dRemde
CemsaviT uiRblo da ratomaa
yvelaferi Cemi brali.
2003 wels, gazeT `kviris
palitris~ oqtombris erT-erT
nomerSi gamovaqveyne statia,
sadac sxvadasxva xasiaTis gulistkivilTan erTad imasac
vuziarebdi mkiTxvels, Tu rogori prezidenti msurda Cemi
qveynisTvis. Tavidan bolomde
wminda wylis survilebi iyo es
da kidev, Zalzed moridebuli
rCeva momavali liderisTvis.
(kidev erTxel mivaqcev
Tqvens yuradebas statiis gamoqveynebis TariRs, 2003 wlis
oqtomberi, anu daaxloebiT
erT TveSi saqarTveloSi vardi
gaifurCqneba).
qveynis lideri im asakis
unda iyos, roca moazrovne
adamians araerTxel aqvs gadasinjuli da awon-dawonili
ganvlili cxovreba _ vwerdi
am statiaSi.
_ unda hqondes gamocdileba, azarti, energia, SiSis Zlevis unari, sidinje da auCqarebloba, Tavmdabloba, oponentebis pativiscema, gawonasworebuli optimizmi, simarTle, samarTlianoba, globaluri az rovneba, analizis unari, dumilis xelovneba, adamianTa SerCevis unari, diplomatiis Tandayolili niWi, Sesaxedaoba,
Rirseba, Tavganwirva.
statiaSi kidev bevri ram
iyo CamoTvlili, magram Cven aq
davamTavroT da barem isic
vTqvaT, rom prezidentis ori
umTavresi aucilebeli Tviseba
gamovtove maSin Segnebulad,
verc Cems Tavs vakadre da verc
savaraudo prezidents imis
Tqma, rom samSoblosa da sakuTari xalxis siyvarulic aucilebeli ramaa...
ai, es aRar miTqvams xmamaRla, mxolod vigulisxme da
Tqven warmoidgineT, Cemi uiRbloba imdenad mgrZnobiare aRmoCnda, rom yvelaferTan erTad
esec gaiTvaliswina da sul raRac erT TveSi moiyvana mixeil
saakaSvili.
gaigeT axla ratomaa yvelaferi Cemi brali?! me rom es
statia ar damewera, anda yvelaferi piriqiT meTqva, xom
vicxovrebdiT axla samoTxeSi.
epizodi mecxre _ Tumca!
axla erTi saidumlo unda
gagimxiloT. Cemi totaluri
uiRblobis miuxedavad, maSin
roca yvelaferi damTavrebuli
da gadawuruli rom mgonia, moulodnelad koridaze gamovardnili xariviT movardeba xolme xsna da ixsneba kvanZi.
gikvirT xom?! mec Zalian
mikvirs, magram asea da ra vqna.
gaxsovT, yoveli epizodis
bolos erTi sityva _ `Tumca...~
rom davtoveT haerSi sapnis
buStiviT gamokidebuli? gaxsovT xom?! hoda, droa axla
Svidive Tumcas mivubrundeT da
epizodebic rigrigobiT davasruloT.
epizodi pirveli _ wamo,
wavixemsoT...
...Tumca, `bufetCik boleno~, xom gaxsovT? raRa gveqna
me da daTos. davrCiT mSivrebi,
magram mainc mxiarulad avbrundiT Cvens sarTulze, wamoRebul sagzalze gvqonda gaTvla.
iq ki biWebs erT-erT nomerSi
ukve moeyaraT Tavi. fexi SevdgiT Tu ara, maSinve sanTlis
arayi momaCeCes xelSi. gamovarTvi da vTqvi, modi es im mebufetes gaumarjos, dRes rom
avad gaxda-meTqi...
epizodi meore _ wyaroze
Cagiyvan da...
...Tumca, wyali ki Sewyda
TvaldaxelSua, magram gamodis
am dros Cemi nacnobi Senobidan,
modis manqanisaken da xelSi
ori boTli daorTqlili `hainekeni~ uWiravs...
epizodi mesame _ bzikis geografia
...Tumca, gadis xani da mirekavs Cemi kaxeli Zmobili _ biWoo, Sena marTali yofilxar,
CemTvis unda ekbina im bziksa,
magrama... xo ici, Cemi ezos bziki iyo da... etyoba moerida, Tanac geografiasTan, Cemi ar
iyos, kaxeli bzikebic mwyralad arian, gaigee?!
epizodi meoTxe _ RamisTeva
liftSi
...Tumca liftioris Semcvleli sadRac sastumrosTan
axlos nardis TamaSs Sehyolia
Turme, sinaTle rom Caqra,
ufiqria, axla saxlSi wasvlas
jobs, sastumroSi mivide da
iqve wavuZinebo. movida kidec
da Zalian male gvixsna tyveobidan.
epizodi mexuTe _ Coxa da
`mzeTunaxavi~
...Tumca Cvenma impresariom
Jozefa martelim aeroportSi
rom dareka, im qalbatons ukve
darekilic hqonda da Tavisi misamarTi da telefonic datovebuli. yvelaze didi saocreba
ki is gaxldaT, rom is qalbatonic viSiSi cxovrobda da matarebliTac erTad gvimgzavria
Turme... damTxveva xom ginda!
maleve mogvakiTxa Cemi `mxeTunaxaviT~ da meore dRes koncertsac daeswro...
epizodi meeqvse _ bulgareTSi ra gindoda...
...Tumca, ara, ara... is kaci
naRdad ar gacocxlebula. mxolod misma siZem mogvZebna sastumroSi, erTi boTli `varcixe~ gamocala, saCuqrebi waiRo
da saRamos saxlSic mivakiTxeT
samZimarze.
epizodi meSvide _ musikam
dayvinTa
...Tumca, naviT Securdnen
zRvaSi biWebi, Tormetive kaseta napirze gamoitanes. gadayras
vapirebdi, magram ra ici, ra
xdeba, modi gavaSroTo, ilikom.
saRamoxans Tormetive kaseta Zveleburad ukravda da
RvTaebriv musikas talRebis
Soreuli da idumali Srialic
erTvoda Tan.
P.S erTaderTi `TumcaRa~
gvrCeba gauSifravi. erTaderTi,
magram yvelaze mTavari, saprezidento `Tumca~, magram mis
gasaSifrad lodini mogviwevs.
Tanac magas mxolod me verafers movuxerxeb, eg iseTi jiSis `Tumcaa~, rom yvelam erTad, anu mTelma saqarTvelom
unda gavSifroT oqtomberi
Temur Wkuaseli
aprili, 2012 weli
saerTo gazeTi 23
#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
intervviu gldanis ivveriis
yovvlawminda
RvvTismSoblis
taZris winamZRvvarTan mama basil mkalaviSvilTan
_ mamao basil, sakmao dro
gavida Tqveni gamomafxizlebeli sityvebi ar gvixilavs presis furclebze, ras gvetyodiT
axals?
_ saxeliTa mamisaTa da ZisaTa da sulisa wmindisaTa,
CvenTan ars RmerTi.
minda giTxraT, erTi wuTiT
yuradReba ar momidunebia qveyanaSi mimdinare movlenebTan dakavSirebiT, Cemi fiqri da goneba gamudmebiT mas dastrialebs,
mxolod amJamad dakavebuli viyavi eklesiis ezos keTilmowyobiT.
_ im braldebasTan dakavSirebiT, ris gamoc Tqven wlebis
ganmavlobaSi satusaRoSi imyofebodiT, dResac azrTa sxvadasxvaobaa, zogierTi religiebis Semwynareblobasac qadagebs.
_ risTvis momisajes 6 weli. iqneb imisTvis, rom bokerias suraTebi davwviT parlamentis Senobis win, vebrZodiT antiqristes mociqulebs _ Tavisuflebis institutis mesveurebs. me xom maTi piradi patimari viyavi? asea dResac. vinc
ar moswonT _ yvelas iWeren da
cixeSi gzavnian.
dRes religiis sakiTxSi
mTel msoflioSi marTlac qaosia. yoveldRiurad iqmneba
axal-axali religiuri dajgufebebi. Tugind aviRoT `ieRovelebis~ mimdevrebi. rogor
SeiZleba maT endos kaci. es
seqta viRac TaRliTma vaWarma
raselma Camoayaliba, romelmac
gamosca Jurnali, sadac Tavis
produqcias reklamas ukeTebda. bolos es pirovneba aferistobisTvis cixeSi Casves.
dRes ki ieRovelebi rasels
TavianT
RmerTad
Tvlian.
ieRovelebi acxadeben, rom
Turme saqarTveloSi qristianoba XX saukuneSi Semosula.
pirveli ieRoveli saqarTveloSi 1953 wels fiqsirdeba.
zRvari aqvT magaT mkrexelobas?
ver amixsnia, sapatriarqos
warmomadgenlebi xmas ratom ar
iReben. swored maTi valia atexon gangaSi.
me, Cemi gasakeTebeli wlebis win gavakeTe. SevaCere ieRovelebisa da sxva seqtebis gamravleba da TareSi. amjerad ukve asakovani var da sakmaod
avadmyofi. advili ar iyo CemTvis 5 weli cixeSi yofna. iqedan TiTqmis dauZlurebuli gamovedi. miuxedavad amisa, presiTa Tu internetiT vebrZvi yovelgvar usamarTlobas.
_ mamao, ar dagvaviwydes,
rom sapatriarqos sasuliero
pirni xSirad akeTeben gancxadebebs usamarTlobis winaaRmdeg.
es iyo gamafrTxilebeli miwisZvra, romelic
migvaniSnebs, rom Tu isev gaagrZeleben RvTis
sawinaaRmdego qmedebebs, Sedegic ar daayovnebs
visac surs iveriis RmrTismSoblis xatis namdvili asli naxos,
mobrZandiT Cvens eklesiaSi da naxeT misi namdvili saxe
_ TiTqmis yvela sasuliero
pirTa interviuebs vkiTxulob.
samwuxarod, imaTgan Zalian
mciredni arian, vinc xmas imaRlebs arsebul saSinelebaTa winaaRmdeg. amas winaT wavikiTxe
mRvdel zaqaria ZinZibaZis interviu. is acxadebs: `licenzia
maqvs, romlis mixedviTac, fizikaze dayrdnobiT, SesaZlebelia miwisZvris zusti prognozireba. licenzirebuli maqvs
cunamis SeCerebis saSualebao~..
Se kai dedmamiSvilo, Tu iseTi Zala gaqvs, rom cunamis SeCereba SegiZlia, SeaCere pirvel
rigSi, marTlmadideblobis mtrebi da is usamarTlo movlenebi,
romelic saqarTveloSi xdeba.
_ mamao, yvelasTvis cnobilia, lagodexSi deda RmrTismSobeli tiris.
_ maSin, roca qveyanas
uWirs da gansacdelSia, xsna
ar Cans, xatebi winaswar amcneben cremldeniT, an sisxlis
deniT. deda RmrTisa rogor iqneba dawynarebuli, roca misi
wilxvedri qveyana marTlac
gansacdelSia? amitom, bunebrivia, kargs arafers migvaniSnebs
yovelive es.
_ Tqvens eklesias Tqven ratom uwodeT maincdamainc iveriis RmrTismSoblis saxeli?
_ 2000 wels, saswaulebrivad, yovelgvari sabuTis gareSe
movxvdi aTonis mTaze. sami
dRis ganmavlobaSi vevedrebodi
iveriis RmrTismSoblis xats
saqarTvelos gadarCenas. Sevpirdi, roca davbrundebodi,
mis saxelze avaSenebdi eklesias. roca daCoqili vloculobdi, vgrZnobdi, rom qristes meored mosvlis win es xati sa-
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
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qarTveloSi CamobrZandeboda da
damkvidrdeboda im taZarSi,
romlis aSenebasac me vapirebdi.
amas Tavis droze adasturebda
beri gabrieli. roca mas ekiTxebodnen, romel taZarSi damkvidrdeboda iveriis RmrTismSoblis xati saqarTveloSi
dabrunebisas, is yovelTvis pasuxobda: is eklesia jer aSenebuli ar aris da mas aaSenebs
morwmuneTa patara jgufio. axla vxvdebi, maSin Cems taZarze
iyo saubari, romelic marTlac
mrevlis mciredi Semowirulo-
RmrTismSoblis xatis
asli.
visac surs iveriis
RmrTismSoblis xatis
namdvili asli naxos,
mobrZandiT Cvens eklesiaSi da naxeT misi
namdvili saxe.
_ mama basil, mosaxleobas
ebadeba kiTxva eleqtropasportebTan dakavSirebiT, aseve CipebTan mimarTebaSi. Tu yovelive es antiqristes wina periodia, elias da enuqis mosvliT
ra unda gvemcnoso?
_ metad saintereso kiTxvaa.
es sakiTxi sapatriarqos mosagvarebelia. magaliTad, saberZneTSi pasportebTan dakavSirebiT sapatriarqom oficialuri
moTxovna gaakeTa xelisuflebasTan. Cvens SemTxvevaSi piriqiTaa, xelisufleba marTavs sapatriarqos.
rac Seexeba eliasa da enuqis mosvlas. ioane naTlismcemeli mogvevlina, raTa gza ganemzadebina uflis mosvlisaTvis. eliasa da enuqis gamoCena
ki imis momaswavebelia, rom
uflis meored mobrZaneba moaxlebul ars da isinic gzas umzadeben ufals TumcaRa sanam
mobrZandeba, mravalni movlen
keTili angelozis saxiT da
biT aSenda. es sapatriarqom
mSvenivrad icis da swored amitom daiwyes paralelurad maxaTas mTaze iveriis RmrTismSoblis saxelze taZris mSenebloba, romelsac, albaT, aramarTlmadidebelTa mier Sewiruli milionebi aaSenebs.
minda xalxma gaigos, rom iveriis RmrTismSoblis xatis namdvili asli me CamovabrZane aTonis mTidan. is, romelic berZnebma gamougzavnes sapatriarqos 1989 wels
da saerTo araferi
aqvs iveriis RmrTismSoblis xatebTan. roca maxaTas mTaze saZirkveli akurTxes, iq
miabrZanes
milanis
TviT uflis saxiT da isini
saswaulebs moaxdenen. wminda
werili gvamcnebs _ bolo Jams
rCeulnic Secdebiano. amitom
unda viyvneT fxizlad, raTa ar
gavebaT maT sacecebSi.
_ momravlda gasarTobi sanaxaobani, sadac sasuliero pirni wina rigebSi sxedan, es xom
ar aris is `sacecebi~, romlebSic TviT RvTismsaxurnic ki
ebmebian?
_ sjulis kanoni gvaswavlis, rom, roca saero Teatraluri warmodgenebi daiwyeba,
sasuliero pirni unda gaecalon iqaurobas. sapatriarqos
warmomadgenelTa mimarTebaSi
ki sul sxvagvarad aris saqme.
amas winaT baTumSi dadgmul
mkrexelur `qeTo da kotes~
warmodgenaze wina rigSi isxdnen da aplodismentebiTac ajildoebdnen egzaltirebul, zRvars gadasul msaxiobebs.
dRes eklesia swyalobs msaxiobebs. arian iseTebic, romlebic Zalian axlo, saeWvo urTierTobaSi imyofebian sasuliero pirebTan. es cota rTuli
sakiTxia. aseve, aRsarebis saidumloc. aravin icis, vin ra
moinania da rogor. modiT, gansasjelad es uzenaess mivandoT, romelic yvelas gulis
nadebis ganmxilvelia.
rusTavelis Teatridan batoni robert sturua gaagdes,
raTa warmoedginaT sazogadoebisTvis is mkrexeluri dadgmebi, romelic miuRebelia marTlmadidebelTaTvis. SeiZleba
adamians guli gauskdes, imdeni
uzneoba moedineba cxovrebis
yvela sferodan. yovelTvis vimeoreb da axlac vityvi, sapatriarqo yvelaferze dums, rac
niSnavs, rom TanaugrZnobs maT.
minda gamcnoT kidev erTi
RmrTissawinaaRmdego qmedeba.
faqtobrivi prezidenti mixeil
saakaSvili xom yvelafers religiisa da marTlmadideblobis
winaaRmdeg Cadis. 6 maiss wmida
giorgis xsenebis dResaswaulze
man baTumSi gaxsna viRac arabi
Seixis saxelobis parki. swored amitom iyo RmerTma ar daayovna, meore dResve moxda gamafrTxilebeli
miwisZvra, romelic migvaniSnebs, rom
vinc RmrTis sawinaaRmdego nabijebs gadadgams, ar gvapatiebs da
sasjelsac mogvagebs.
_ dRes RvTismsaxurnic wyevlian urjuloebas. ramdenad
marTebulia mRvdlis wyevla?
es codva ar aris?
_ Tqven gainteresebT ramdenad gamarTlebulia eklesiurad
e.w. wyevla. adamians yvela
codva mieteveba, garda suliwmidis gmobisa. vinaidan dRevandeli xelisufleba TavianTi
qmedebiT suliwmidis mgmobelebi arian. zogierTi beri isea
SeZrwunebuli umsgavso yofierebiT, warmosTqvamen wyevlis
sityvebs.
_ mamao, verafriT dagvamSvidebT?
_ samwuxarod, jerjerobiT
verafriT dagamSvidebT.
saakaSvilis mosvla daiwyo
Cveni eklesiis darbeviT. maSin
qarTveli xalxi dumda da dRes
am xelisuflebis mware maTraxi TiTqmis yvelas moxvda. amitom xalxi ukve aRaravis endoba, miuxedavad amisa, gpirdebiT
_ es mZime, ekliani, jvarcmis
gza qarTvel ers gasavleli
aqvs, radgan swored amas mohyveba bolo Jams iveriis gabrwyineba. es aucileblad moxdeba.
iranda kalandaZe
24 saerTo gazeTi
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mogzauroba samSobloSi
sofel orTubanSi, zovreTis
cixe-d
darbazis kompleqsis garda,
samasiod metrSi naqalaqaris abanoc aris SemorCenili, romelic
gviani SuasaukuneebiT TariRdeba.
rogorc Cans, swored aq _ orTuban-zovreTSi werda zaza cnobil samecniero naSroms (`samkurnalo wigni karabadini~), romelic
vaxuSti batoniSvils mouZiebia da
aukinZavs. darwmunebuli var, rom
orTubnis abanos marto higienuri
daniSnuleba ar eqneboda da misi
abazanebi samkurnalodac gamoiyeneboda erT dros. abanos saerTo
sigrZe 15 metria, sigane _ 7 m.
yvela mTavari oTaxi gumbaTiania.
zaza mkurnalis moRvaweobis
Temam TavisTavad imis survili gamiCina, rom sofelSi mcenareuli
wamlebis Tanamedrove damamzadebelic aRmomeCina. orTubanSi ZiriTadad osuri warmomavlobis ojaxebi cxovroben. maT Soris veranairi aqimi ver aRmovaCine, magram
bedad aWaridan Camosaxlebuli Tina gabaiZe mimaswavles. axalgazrda
qalma Tavdapirvelad aivanze gasaxmobad gaSlili nairgvari yvavilebi da balaxeuli maCvena, mere
ki Tavis afTiaqSic SemiZRva. iq
ramdenime daxarisxebuli kona, erTi-ori malamo da is siTxe miCvena, romelic gvelis nakbenisa da
zogadad Sxamis sawinaaRmdego
uebari saSualeba yofila.
TxrobaSi gabaiZeTa gearis Semoyvanam sxva Temis gaxsnis saSualebac mogvca: daaxloebiT 20-22
wlis winaT xeobaSi aWaris namati
mosaxleoba dafuZnda. igi kompaqturad sofel gverZineTSi dasaxlda. es sofeli saistorio wyaroebSi 1658 wlis erTi sabuTiT
fiqsirdeba _ cici ciciSvils aq
14 komli yma hyolia: sisaurebi,
RoRaZeebi da mraWvelebi. Semdeg
am gvarebs gasitaSvilebi, mWedliSvilebi, WulukaSvilebi da gelaSvilebi Sematebian. osmalosTan
da iranel dampyrobTa winaaRmdeg
brZolasa Tu SinaaSlilobas sofeli TiTqmis sruliad dauclia
da 1862-1864 wlebSi aq osebi CamousaxlebiaT. gasuli saukunis
90-ian wlebis dasawyisSi gverZineTeli osebis erTi nawili ayrila da maT nacvlad maRalmTiani
aWaris sofel riyidan mosuli koCaliZeebi, gorgaZeebi, gelaZeebi,
anTaZeebi da xozrevaniZeebi dafuZnebulan. 2003 wels aq axalmosaxleTa 30 komli cxovrobda da 9wlian skolaSi 65 moswavle
iricxeboda. Cveni satelevizio gadamRebi jgufi swored am skolis
direqtoris mixeil koCaliZis
saxlSi dabinavda.
im Ramis gverZineTs kidev erTi yrma, vefxia Seemata.
meore dRes alions davaswariT
da yvelaze ufro saintereso nataZralTa Semovla daviwyeT. aq
odesRac ersa da eklesias burjad
edgnen netari mamebi. Tavdapirvelad imerxevisken gavwieT, sadac
ZaZvis samonastro kompleqsi gveguleboda. xeobaSi Sesvla sofel
elbaqianidan SeiZleba. namonastrali aqedan 5-6 kilometrSia, magram gza Zalian cudia. am monastris mTavari nageboba, romelic sanaxevrod daqceula, ioane naTlismcemlisa yofila da mSeneblobis
stiliT VIII-IIX saukuneebs ganekuTvneba. eklesia nagebia rogorc
fleTili qviT, ise qviSaqvisa da
Sirimis Tlili lodebiT. sakurTxevlis nalisebri afsidi darbazidan qvis kankeliT yofila gamoyofili, romlis rvawaxnaga svetebis natexebi aqa-iqaa gabneuli.
gvian xanaSi eklesia mouxatavT,
magram gamosaxuleba aRar ikiTxeba.
taZris garda galavanSemovlebul kompleqsSi (daaxloebiT 1
ha.) mdgara mozrdili satrapezo
(14,5X9 m), orsarTuliani samrek-
lo da senakebi, romelTagan axla mxolod nangrevebia Semonaxuli. ezos teritoriaze
aris
ramdenime sameurneo
xaro.
... ZaZvidan gverZineTSi vbrundebiT,
iqidan ki samxreTiT
miveSurebiT. gaviareT patara soflebi wiflovani da
kodmana, nasoflari
tyemlovana da marjvniv, tyeSi axalgayvanil,
cicabo
gzas avuyeviT. sabednierod es gza
300 metrze meti ar
aRmoCnda, Torem man-
Zveli
da
axali
burjebi
Zamis xeoba
qanis Zravi aseT
datvirTvas veRar
gauZlebda.
samoTxes,
romelSic aRmovCndiT,
qozifa hqvia.
mexsierebaSi samudamod CaibeWda maRali, foTlovani
tye, mozrdili, mosworebuli adgili
am tyeSi, eklesiaTa
nangevebi, axali, xis
aivniani
keliebi,
Zveli da ganaxlebuli qozifa da misi maSenebeli berebi
uzarmazari kviparosi, mcire mtili,
sxva freskebi. samxreT kedelze Zveli monastris gacocxlebisTocamde ska, moWixvine iabo, Semonaxulia `RvTismSoblis taZ- vis: wesrigSi mohyavdaT teritoCrdilqveS wamowolili kravi, rad miyvaneba~. kompleqsSi Semava- ria, agrovebdnen gafantul qvebsa
ori nagazi da frinvelTa gadaZa- li danarCeni oTxi eklesia uxe- da ber-monazonTa neStebs. erT-erxili. veranairad ver vifiqrebdi Sad damuSavebuli, dakuTxuli Ti sruliad daqceuli eklesiis
Tu erT mcire monakveTSi amdeni, qvebiTaa nagebi, `RvTismSobeli~ ki qveS maT miagnes kriptas da iq danairgvarad mgalobeli frTosani sufTad gaTlili bazaltis kvad- cul wminda nawilebs ezos sxva
budobda.
rebiT. SemorCenilia TandarTuli monakveTebSi aRmoCenili mamebis
qozifis samonastro kompleqs- qvis kankelis fragmentebic.
Zvlebic daumates. kriptaSi CasvSi erTmaneTze midgmuli 5 darbakompleqsis arseboba cnobili lisas Tavzari daeca Cveni gverZizuli eklesia mdgara. maTgan ori iyo (samecniero literaturaSi neTeli maspinZlis me-8 klasel vaVII-IIX saukuneebis yofila, ori _ igi gugomis saxeliTaa Setanili), JiSvils, romelic Tan gvaxlda maXV-X
XVI da erTic _ XIII sauku- magram bolo dros, Turme, tyes mamisis TxovniT. mereRa gavigeT,
nisa. amaTgan yvelaze didi, cent- ise gadaevlo, rom axalgazrda be- rom igi mounaTlavi iyo. amdenad,
raluri taZari swored es ukanas- rebs gaWirvebiT miugniaT. mas Sem- mis momaval gaqristianebaSi mciknelia (17,85X7,85m). RvTismSob- deg ewoda kompleqss qozifa pa- reodeni wvlili Cvenc SevitaneT
lis saxelobis saydari agebisTa- lestinaSi arsebuli erTi monast- amdeni siwmindis CvenebiT.
nave mouxatavT. marTalia `RvTis- ris msgavsad. dangreuli eklesieim dRes monastris saZmodan
mSobeli~, sxva aqauri saydrebis bi xelaxla akurTxes RvTismSob- adgilze mxolod morCili lazare
msgavsad, romeliRac epoqaSi Za- lis, lazares, wminda giorgis da dagvxvda, romelic purs acxobda.
lian dangreula, magram SemorCe- SiomRvimis saxelobaze. berebis danarCeni berebi, mezoblad mdebanil konqSi isev Cans `vedreba~, saZmo, winamZRvar Sios moTaveobiT re muxileTis monastris winamZR`xati mandilisai~, mociqulebi, da mitropolit iobis mzrunve- vars mama zenons exmarebodnen mSeeklesiis mamebi da XIII saukunis lobiT, dResa da Rames asworebda neblobaSi. lazarem SemogvTavaza,
rom is Rame qozifaSi gagveTenebina saZmos srul SemadgenlobasTan
erTad, romelic Sebindebisas dabruneboda, magram Cven maTi gacnoba muxileTSi vamjobineT.
muxileTi gverZineTsa da tyemlovanas Sorisaa, ufro konkretulad ki Zamis im Senakadis boloSia, romelic tyemlovanamde erTvis xeobis mTavar mdinares. amave
xazzea, oRond xevis TavSi, abuxalos berTa qvabebi.
muxileTis monasterSi iolad
mivediT. igi RvTismSoblis dangreuli eklesiisa da ramdenime xis
senakisgan Sedgeboda maSin. berebi
zenon iyalToelis saxelobis eklesias uyridnen saZirkvels. niadagis gaWra ukve moemTavrebinaT
da axla Soriaxlodan ezidebodnen sabalavre qvebs. SromaSi Cabmuli amdeni ber-monazoni aqamde
arasdros menaxa da axla sul
sxvagvarad warmomidga es sazogadoeba. gansakuTrebiT qozifis monastris 24 wlis iRumenma mama Siom miiqcia Cemi yuradReba. SromaSi xom misabaZi iyo da Sesvenebis
drosac yvelasgan gamoirCeoda mozomili sityviT (naTelSi amyofos
ufalma misi suli. sam weliwadSi
arqimandriti gaxda, magram avtokatastrofaSi daiRupa).
male ruis-urbniseli mitropoliti iobic amovida da kidev
erTi axali aRmoCena gavakeTe: es
iyo WeSmariti mamisa da Svilebis
Sexvedra _ gulisxmieri, ubralo
da mokrZalebuli, romelic trafaretebisa da yalbi etiketebisagan daclili iyo. `me erTi ubralo beri var~ _ xSirad maxsendeba mitropolitis sakuTari Tavis
daxasiaTeba, magram sityva `ubraloSi~ im dRidan pirvelyofil
marcvals vxedav. mas Semdeg, ager
ukve, aTma welma ganvlo. eparqia
yovelnairad ayvavda. uamravi nataZrali ferflidan aRsdga da
uamravi axali taZari aigo misi
ZalisxmeviT. yvelas CamosaTvlelad erTi da ori werilic ki ver
ikmarebs. eklesia-monastrebi, ra
Tqma unda, mrevlis SemowirulobebiTac Sendeba, magram mTavari mainc eparqiis 400-mde muxlCauxreli, kabagaxunebuli ber-monazvnis
damsaxurebaa. isini mTel dros
locvasa da SromaSi atareben,
mZRolebic arian, kiriTxuronic,
durglebic da Sikrikebic. iSviaTia aseTi eparqia!
xelSi Tu Cauvarda es werili,
SeiZleba misayveduros kidec meufem aseTi SesxmisTvis, magram sxvagvarad ar mZalmiZs. iSviaTia aseTi marTlmadidebeli saWeTmpyrobeli dRes: beri _ yrmis umankoebiT, moZRvari mwvrTnelis momTxovnelobiT, klde viTarca sarwmunoebis burji, mebrZoli da Seupovari qarTveli rogorc Tornike erisTavi da mamxilebeli viTarca esaia. is fexqveS egeba ubralo,
wesier kacs, magram SeuZlia Serisxos ampartavani, fariseveli da
gancxromis moyvare saero Tu samRvdelo piri, TviT mefec da misi
vazirebic ki. amitom, boroteulni
SiSiT Zrwian da xafangebs ugeben,
magram ufali icavs gansacdelisgan. ar mokvdeba qveyana, romelsac
Tundac erTi aseTi beri hyavs.
es aris am werilis boloTqma.
gela qoqiaSvili
urbnisisa da ruisis eparqia: wiflovanis, orxevisa da tbeTis axali saydrebi
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#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
jemal davlianiZe
rodemde unda marTon
qveynebi urwmunoebma?
politikur mxecTagan wamosuli muqara da ubedureba dRes
ukve sayovelTaoa da kacobriobis saR nawils didi brZola
dasWirdeba am Wiris mosaSoreblad.
mdgomareoba umZimesia, rom
ara uflis imedi!
oRond! aucilebelia Cven,
msoflios macxovreblebma, qveynebma gamoviRviZoT da im Zilburanidan gamovideT, am qveynis damaqcevrebma rom Segvrekes!
pirvel rigSi, sayovelTao
arxeinoba da baliSze Zili unda moviSoroT! usulgulobas
Cvensas unda vuSveloT!
ager, modis, moabijebs adamiani! modis mxolod xorci! modis xuxula! usulo, ufro ki
suldakarguli. xorcSi CaaxrCobines sakuTari sulis naperwkali, riTac igi RmerTTan
iyo dakavSirebuli!
modis, modis, moabijebs, mova da...
rogorc vTqvi, xelSi SegrCeba mxolod xorcis nageboba!
xorcis Senoba! xorcieleba, romelSic sulierebis natamali ar
dainaxveba!
da es sabazre xorcis nagleji Tavisi poeziiT, Tavisi qandakebiT, Tavisi mxatvrobiT, Tavisi kulinariiT, Tavisi ybedobiT,
Tavisi azrovnebiT, aris mxolod
ena! ena _ daxlze dadebuli, woniT 3-4 kilogrami da meti araferi...
da, radgan dRes sayovelTao
sibriyve Wixvinebs!
da, radgan dRes sipatiosne
dums mokrZalebiT!
da, radgan dRes sindiss axrCoben saxrCobelaze!
da, radgan politikosebi bazarSi dganan, aCexili samSoblos naWrebis gasayidad!
radgan suliereba dRes xorcis patimaria!
amitomac vglovob da vicremlebi!
amitomac panaSvidi maqvs!
da, dRes isea mowamluli
msoflio sazogadoeba axali
msoflio wesrigis (rac ukve
sayovelTaoa kacobriobisaTvis!)
mavne saqmianobiT, rom mravals
da mravals Cveulebriv movlenad miaCnia, adamianebSi xorcis
anu materiis zeoba da sulieri
dacema,
gaxrwna-gadagvareba.
TiTqos sulsa da xorcs Soris
darRveuli harmonia aRarafers
niSnavdes! TiTqos adamianis daniSnuleba da uflisagan Cveni
gaCenis mizezi mxolod kuWi, simaZRre da mxolod seqsi, - gamravlebis isteriuli moTxovnileba iyos!
mainc, rodemde unda gagrZeldes da kacobriobam sadamde
unda moiTminos usuloTa, azrovnebiT mwirTa, suliT dacemulTa da oden xorciT aRzevebulTa maskaradi?
rodemde unda stanjon xorcielma mZorebma suliT amaRlebulni?
rodemde unda marTon qveynebi urwmunoebma?
rodis unda iswavlos Wkua
xalxma, rom TeTri gaarCios Savisagan da moRalate ar arCios
mamuliSvils?
gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.
`saerTo gazeTi~ #14-19
mware gakveTilebi
evroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo
ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666
vin Camoagdo
mefe ruseTSi?
mrCeba STabeWdileba, rom mefis Camogdebas ruseTSi evroamerikelebi
xelmZRvanelobdnen
sakmaod saidumlod. ruseTSi
maT zustad amerikis SeerTebuli Statebis msgavsi warmonaqmnis Camoyalibeba hqondaT ganzraxuli da revoluciac moaxdines. mefe ulmoblad daxvrites
mTel ojaxTan erTad da iwyes
masobrivi Jleta WeSmariti rusuli inteligenciisa, sasuliero pirebisa... milionobiT adamiani daxvrites, SemdgomSi, leninis sikvdilis merec gaagrZeles da vgoneb _ stalins rom
ar emarjva, ra darCeboda ruseTisagan, am veeberTela, marTlmadidebluri qveynisagan, Zneli
warmosadgeni arc aris!
gana yovelive rom mowyobilia da specialuradaa, ver unda SevignoT qarTvelebma?
gana Cveni qveynis daqucmaceba, rogorc erTerTi qristianuli qveynisa, evroamerikas rom
xels aZlevs, es Zneli misaxvedria?
da, am ybadaRebul e.w. dasavleTs, yovelive cudis ruseTis
xeliT keTeba rom surs, Zneli
dasanaxavia?
evroamerikelebs ormagi mogeba aqvT am ukeTuri xelis banviT da CrdilSi dgomiT: saqarTvelos mTlianobas anadgureben,
survils TavianTs, Canafiqrs isruleben da Tan ruseTs abraleben, ruseTs aZageben, mTel msoflioSi moZalades uwodeben!
ra Tqma unda, ruseTSi
uzarmazari legionebi hyavT Canergili da muSaoben daucxrom-
romelmac magrad Searyia bneleTis mzakvruli Canafiqri.
eomnen, gana ar eomnen? egonaT,
Cvens azrze movaqcevTo, magram
WkuiT ajoba! jer moixmara, erTmaneTi Caaxocvina, mere ki,
vinc SeewinaaRmdega, miwaSi Caawvina, vinc daimorCila, TavisTvis amuSava.
ruseTSi uamravi saocari
ram xdeboda.
magaliTad, CemTvis Zalian
gansacvifrebelia cnoba imis
Sesaxeb, rom ruseTSi, revoluciis Semdgomi mTavrobis SemadgenlobaSi TviT rusebi TiToorola kaciT Semoifarglebodnen.
ase magaliTad:
22 saxalxo komisridan, 19
ebraeli yofila!
xolo revoluciis Semdgomi
ruseTis dumis 554 deputats
Soris iyo:
2 - poloneli!
1 - Cexi!
43 _ litveli!
30 - rusi!
3 _ fineli!
13 _ somexi!
2 _ qarTveli!
1 _ ungreli!
12 _ germaneli!
447 _ ebraeli!
rogor yofila ruseTis da
evroamerikis saqme, veJo?
am cnobis utyuarobis moZieba nebismier dainteresebul adamians SeuZlia, radgan istoriaSi brwyinvaledaa cnobili saxalxo komisrebis ambavic da
ruseTis dumis deputatTa raodenobac.
SevardnaZis
xelisSemwyobni
saqarTvelos
mtrebi arian!
mokirkite mkiTxveli ityvis,
- kaci saqarTvelos ubedurebaze
gvesaubreba da ra SuaSia ruseTio!
oo! ara da ara, batonebo!
bevrze bevri gvaqvs saerTo ruseTTan! Tundac sarwmunoeba!
Tundac mezobloba! Tundac Tanacxovrebis aTeulobiT weli!
Tundac is, rom mavanma da mavanma moaxerxa, _ ruseTi Cvens
upirveles da erTaderT mtrad
daesaxa! da gana mxolod Cven
Cagvagdes
SevardnaZe-saakaSvilebma am dReSi?
iqamde mividnen, rom Cveni
udReuri xelisufleba, dRes
ociode tankiT da asi avtomatiT, ruseTs cxvirwin muSts
utrialebs da ded-mamas aginebs!
rogorc finia ZaRls waaqezeben xolme patronebi, iseT
dReSi arian! evroamerikelebi
dauqseven da TviTon ganze gadgebian. TviTon Zmakacoben, TviTon ridi aqvT amxela qveynisa,
gvarianadac eSiniaT, kinaRam qveS
Caifsan da Cvens xelisuflebas
ki amaod ayefeben!
lad! saocaria, rogor uZlebs
dRemde ruseTi amxela ZalTa
koncentrirebul
Semotevas?
erTi SexedeT maT namuSevars _
ruseTis garSemo mdebare TiTqmis yvela e.w. yofili sabWoTa
kavSiris qveynebis gadabirebas
rogor cdiloben! veeberTela
saxsrebs xarjaven belorusiaSi, ukrainaSi, Sua aziaSi, kavkasiaSi...
da, rogorc yovelTvis, Cven
pirvelobas xeli ar gavuSviT _
evroamerikelebad gvsurs yofna
da sakuTari miwis udides nawilebs viRacis enis amyolebi,
TiTqmis saCuqrad da oTxdRiani
omebiT varigebT!
arada, yvelaferi es mowyobilia!
yovelive winaswaraa gaTvlili!
yovelive amas Tavisi warsuli, awmyo da sxvaTa Soris, momavalic gaaCnia!
revoluciis dros ruseTic
daRupvis gzaze daayenes, magram
saidanRac gamoutyvraT soso
juRaSvili, SemdgomSi stalini,
davubrundeT eduard SevardnaZes, romlis sulieri fesvebi demonur samyaroSia Cazrdili.
maSasadame, SevardnaZem, romelsac abraleben ori germaniis
gaerTianebas! romelsac amgvari
msoflio Zalaufleba hqonia,
rokis gvirabis gayvanis dakonserveba ver aRusrulebia!
vgoneb Txrobis ZiriTad
xazs Zalian ar avcdenilvar...
1990 wlis 28 oqtombers, saqarTveloSi Catarda arCevnebi,
gaimarjva erovnul-ganmaTavisuflebelma moZraobam.
saqarTveloSi daiwyo qristianul-erovnuli aRmSenebloba
da saamiso resursi gadmogvyva
sabWoTa kavSiridan.
ai, zustad am dros dasWirda evroamerikas, moskovSi umuSevrad darCenili, pensioneri
eduard SevardnaZe.
aucilebeli iyo erovnuli
aRmavlobis gzas damdgari saqarTvelos SeCereba, magram saamisod, pirvel rigSi, saWiro
Seiqna dovlaTis da qonebis ganiaveba! qarTveli xalxi rogorme SimSilis karze unda daebaT.
da, e.w. didma politikosma
(pirvel rigSi evroamerikis
imedma da jila koWma) xelebi
daikapiwa. upirvelesad yoveli
braldebisagan xelebs ibans: 9
aprilis tragedia TviTon, TavisTavad moxda _ sisxli sxvebma daRvares da 1991 wlis samxedro gadatrialebac sxvebma
moawyves. TviTon, SevardnaZe, am
saqmeSi aba rogor Caereoda.
masTan Turme didi TxovniT Cadioda uamravi qarTveli: inteligenciis warmomadgenlebi, politikosebi, saqmosnebi, eqimebi,
pedagogebi da sTxovdnen, damyarebuli faSisturi reJimisagan
exsna sruliad saqarTvelo.
Turme, TviTon SevardnaZe
saqarTveloSi dabrunda qveynis
asaRorZineblad... samegrelo?
sxvebma moaoxres afxazeTi da
samaCablo? sxvebma gayides! omi?
sxvebma waages! teroristuli
aqtebi? sxvebma moawyves! saqarTvelos respublikis prezidenti zviad gamsaxurdia? sxvebma
_ kerZod, sakuTarma megobrebma,
garemocvam da danarCenma qarTvelobam anu zviadistebma gawires!
dReis amas iqiT anu SevardnaZis Camosvlis Semdeg, yovelive cudi, rac xdeboda, rac xdeba da rac moxdeba, sxvebis mier
iqneba Cadenili! yvelaferi kargi ki, `didi politikosis~ xeliT qmnilia... TviT uRrublo
ca, mzis amosvlac ki, raRa Tqma
unda, misi da mxolod misi damsaxurebaa!
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#22 (206), 9-115.V, 2012 w.
xalxis azriT
xo naxe wina arCevnebSi yvela partiam rom
daxarja, ramdenjer aRemateboda im Tanxas
mxolod nacebis danaxarji!
iq biznesmenebi Seewevian (mogelaZem ar Seicxados!), aq parlamentaris adgilebs gayidian sarfianad (rogorc kervaliSvilis
SemTxvevaSi), iqiT adeiSvili miexmareba
“saprocesoebiT” (dasaWeri kidev bevria) da a.S.
ivaniSvilis xalxs rom gaekeTebina, rac
magaT gaakeTes - TiTo korpuss TiTo cxvari da boca Rvino rom gaugzavnes, xom
warmogidgenia, ras daimxobda Tavze yvelafers mogvelaZe da ra ambavs atexavdnen nacebis media-sanitrebi!
saxelmwifo samsaxurebSi momuSave pirebs
miatanines sakuTari da ojaxis wevrebis
piradobis mowmobebi. maT nacvlad xmas Tavad miscemen da es xalxi imis SiSiT, rom
ojaxis wevri samsaxuridan ar gamoagdon, ver gaaprotestebs, rom maT nacvlad sxvam moawera xeli
da biuleteni gamoiyena.
ise me maqvs erTi idea, arCevnebic aRaraa
saWiro, visac survili aqvs, yvela Sevides
parlamentSi arCevnebis gareSe, ras gvawvaleben, an Cven an Tavs ras iwvaleben, fulic daezogebaT. Cven mainc aravin gvismens da ra
azri aqvs, vin mogvwons da vin ara.
Tu akvirdebiT imas, rom vinc am xelisuflebasTan adre iyo da mere opoziciaSi gadavida yvela paCti ruseTis agentia? ra
aris es SemTxveiTobaa Tu am xelisuflebis utvinoba ruseTis agentebs rom asaqmebs?
safrangeTs Tavisi marneuli ara aqvs, sadac moqmedi prezidenti 110%-s iRebs?
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gasatacebeli da egaa... :-)
quTaisSi xeebi rom gadabeles (totebi moaWres), gadanaWrelze “zelionka” wausves
da axla is zelionkawasmuli xe quTaislebs svetaforSi erevaT. magas hqvia: sul
mwvaneze gevloso..
miwisZvra damTavrebuli ar iyo, miSa gamovida da ganacxada-ruseTis mowyobiliao...:)
xedav, ruseTi ra diversiebs gviwyobs? ar
isvenebs, ra. orSabaT dilas Seryeuli rom
daiwyebs, dRis bolos ravali SenZreuli iqneba, xo
azrze xarT? raferaa, netav, Cveni maRali?
ese igi, vinc xelmisawvdom ganaTlebas
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exeboda. sainteresoa Tqveni azri
kerZod am gadacemisa da saerTod,
Cvens media-ssivrceSi ezoTerikisadmi midgomis Sesaxeb.
_ Cemi azriT, am gadacemaSic
`100 gradusi celsiusiT~ da sxvebSic, romlebSic undaT paranormalur mxareebs Seexon, igrZnoba, rom
sinamdvileSi saqarTveloSi parafsiqologiaze tabua dadebuli. sazogadoebisTvis es Tema Zalian sainteresoa, amaze xmamaRla aravin
laparakobs, magram kuluarulad Zalian aqtualuria. samwuxarod, mwiria informacia, eyrdnobian araprofesionalebs, romelTac ar ician,
ra aris Savi an TeTri magia, kosmosi, astrali... es yvelaferi erT
mTlianobaSi aris mecniereba, rac
CvenSi ganixileba mxolod dabal
doneze, saubaria jadoze, Tvalze,
Selocvaze, ufro farTo kuTxiT ki
ver ganavrcoben. Ees mecniereba sakamaTo Temadaa qceuli SouebisTvis.
Pprofesionaluri kuTxiT rom Sexedo, masSi Sedis medicina, fizika,
metafizika, alqimia. Cveni telearxebi ki aSuqeben, rogorc Sous. Mme
vfiqrob, rom aucilebelia, kviraSi
erTxel erTi saaTi daeTmos am sakiTxs seriozuli kuTxiT. rogorc
telearxi “kavkasia” astrologs,
mixeil cagarels uTmobs eTers kviraSi erTxel, aseve romelime arxma
unda dauTmos dro parafsiqologs.
kuTxe. Ees zogSi metadaa ganviTarebuli, zogSi _ naklebad, magram
sul sxvaa fenomenaluri niWiT dajildoebuli pirovneba.
_ ra azris xarT erT-eerTi monawilis, Teas Sesaxeb, ra aris mis
sxeulze gamoxatuli stigmebi?
_ me adrec viyavi dapatiJebuli
msgavs SouSi ( ar maxsovs 2001 weli iyo Tu 2002), jer kidev iq gamovTqvi azri am gogonaze. M vfiqrob, rom aq adgili ar aqvs imas,
rasac ewodeba kosmiuri Zala. rogorc aCvenebdnen, mas aqvs stigmebi,
magram es xdeboda sul sxva kuTxidan gamomdinare.
_ ra SeiZleba iyos es?
_ me ar minda es ganvmarto, ubralod CemTvis sxva rames niSnavs.
aseve SeuZlebelia Sexedo adamians
da daaskvna vin iyo wina cxovrebaSi. Es sakmaod rTuli samuSaoa.
_ gadacemis bolos moxda
CarTva moskovidan biodenebiT
cnobil mkurnal junasTan.
aSkaraa, rom juna ukve didi
xania mZime emociuri stresis
gavlenis qveS imyofeba, rac,
pirvel rigSi, Svilis daRupvam ganapiroba. ramdenad misaRebi iyo masTan CarTva, iqneb,
sjobda, es ar momxdariyo?
_ juna Cemi Taobis Tbiliselia, TiTqmis tolebi varT.
erTs getyviT. igi uZlieresi
pirovneba iyo, uZlieresi bioenergo-koreqtori. igi aris
mkurnali da ara astralSi
gamsvleli an winaswarmetyveli. juna gaanadgura sabWoTa
kavSirma, uSiSroebam. Bbevrs
_ Tu umizezod kari gaiRo, rame unda Tqva am dros?
_ araferic ar unda Tqva. mTavaria komfortulad igrZnoT Tavi
ojaxSi, sityvebs azri ar aqvs.
_ Tqven aseve isaubreT jados
moxsnaze da amisi albaTobac gangvimarteT. Aanu, ramdenad logikuria
jados gasakeTeblad an mosaxsnelad
mkiTxavTan misvla?
_ samyaroSi arsebobs kosmiuri
programebi. vTqvaT, damTavrda programa Cems sayvarel adamianTan, morCa, is unda wavides sxvasTan da me
sxvasTan, an davrCe marto. aseT
dros roca zedmeti Careva xdeba,
roca zedmetad exebian, ziandeba individis fsiqika. Aanu am SemTxvevaSi ki ar gaiwminda adamiani, sxva
rame gaukeTda. erTi jado Caanacvla
`parafsiqologia aris mecniereba,
romelic CvenTan sakamaTo
Temadaa qceuli SouebisTvis~
aseT gadacemaSi ki ar unda imkiTxaon an raRac Savbnel saqmeebze ilaparakon, unda axsnan yvelaferi seriozul doneze, radgan adamianebi,
romlebic arian informaciul vakuumSi, eZeben pasuxs araswori mimarTulebiT da asec midis mere yvelaferi maT cxovrebaSi. Aadamianebma
unda icodnen, ra droSi vcxovrobT, ra samyaroseul movlenebs
aqvs adgili, ratomaa aseTi agresia
sazogadoebaSi, ratom xdeba amdeni
mkvleloba da TviTlmkvleloba, ra
aris “domovoi”, qarTulad fuZis
angelozi da ase Semdeg.
_ Tqven aseve aRniSneT, rom parafsiqologis Tu naTelmxilvelis
mier yoveldRiuri miRebebi absurdia da amiTac SecdomaSi SehyavT
adamianebi, ratom?
_ warmoudgenelia winaswarmetyveleba iseTi saxiT, rom rigi dgas
viRacasTan, erTi wavida, meore movida, meaTe miiRo. Eamis dagegmva SeuZlebelia. winaswarmetyveleba, rogorc aseTi, TavisiT modis. Aar SeiZleba es yoveldRiurobaSi SekveTiT movides. isev vubrundebi imas,
rom unda mivides swori informacia
sazogadoebamde, unda daiweros, gakeTdes
gadacemebi
seriozuli
kuTxiT, saWiroa profesionali eqsperti, parafsiqologi. ia farulavam am gadacemaSi aRniSna, rom yvela msaxiobs gaaCnia meeqvse grZnobao. Kki, batono, vTqvaT, msaxiobs
aqvs es profesiidan gamomdinare,
magram arian adamianebi, romlebic
modian kosmiuri ZaliT vunderkinduli kuTxidan gamomdinare. aseT
rames ver Seiswavli, ver waikiTxav.
saerTod, yvela adamians aqvs meeqvse grZnoba, Tavisi bioenergetikuli
ar awyobda misi arseboba, bevrs
sWirdeboda. gaanadgures sulierad,
fsiqika dauzianes, Svili ar daRupula, moukles. Aara mgonia, rom am
gadacemiT dakninebuliyo, juna iyo
da aris juna.
_ Cvens saubarSi Tqven axseneT
egreT wodebuli “domovoi”, Cveneburad, fuZis angelozi; sityvam moitana da davakonkretoT, ra arsebaa
es?
_ yvela saxls hyavs Tavisi fuZis angelozi. igi uxilavi Zalaa,
suli, romelic cxovrobs saxlis
fuZeze, arian agresiulebi, arian
keTilebi.
_ anu maT Sorisac aris gansxvaveba?
_ ra Tqma unda, dadebiTi Zalis
fuZis angelozi keTilmosurned giRebs saxlis kars. xdeba isec, rom,
vTqvaT, iyida ojaxma axali saxli,
bina da daiwyo avadmyofobebi, warumateblobebi, ese igi raRacaSia saqme, agresiulia fuZis angelozi,
aseT SemTxvevaSi saWiroa garkveuli rituali, Selocva, ojaxSi
mRvdlis moyvana.
_ rogor unda vceT pativi fuZis angelozs?
_ yovelTvis iqonieT ojaxSi
tkbileuloba, xandaxan ki oTaxis
oTxive kuTxeSi kanfetebi unda dadoT. aseT dros saxlis kaci nebierad “vaxSmobs”. roca ojaxSi tkbileulia, komfortulad grZnobs
Tavs.
_ gvagebinebs Tavis arsebobas?
_ ki, zogjer raRac xmebiT, karis kakuniT, SeiZleba umizezod gaiRos moxuruli kari. SeiZleba
ojaxis wevris an axloblis xma CagesmaT da es fuZis angelozi iyos.
meorem, erTi magia Secvala meorem.
_ anu es xdeba kosmiur programaze daqvemdebarebiT, rogor moviqceT sworad?
_ Tu programa damTavrebulia,
azri aRarafers aqvs, radgan ar Sedgeba sulieri kavSiri. Yyvela admians hyavs Tavisi bedis varskvlavi,
saxeldobr “mas” unda Sexvdes. ra
Tqma unda, aris SemTxvevebi, roca
ara programiT, aramed raRac Zlieri jados zegavleniT midis adamiani, maSin unda moxdes moxsna da urTierToba aRdgeba. saWiroa swori
diagnozi. parafsiqologma unda dainaxos programa erTad xarT jer
Tu gaTiSulni xarT ukve. anu roca
qali Txovdeba, aucileblad esaWiroeba astro-para-fsiqologiuri
konsultacia, ruqa. xarT Tqven erT
varskvlavze dabadebulni? risi moTmena mogiwevT iciT? unda gaarkvioT, raze midixarT.
_ vTqvaT, mimatova sayvarelma
adamianma, movedi TqvenTan, Tqven dainaxeT, rom igi aRar zis Cems kosmiur programaSi, ras mirCevT?
_ gakeTdeba diagnozi. Tu davinaxe, rom programa dasrulebulia,
pirdapir getyviT: es pirovneba aRar aris Tqveni. aRar gWirdebaT warsulze CaWideba. dadeqi WeSmarit
gzaze, mixede Tavs. unda daixuros
erTi da gaixsnas meore, sxva kari,
rom Seni varskvlavi kvlav gamoCndes. Yyvelam Tavisi bedi unda eZios, ar unda ifiqro imaze, vin ras
ityvis. SeiZleba sadRac gacilebiT
ukeTesi adamiani gelodeba, SeiZleba, araferic ar gelodeba. mTavaria,
Savi magiis zemoqmedebiT ar iyos
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winaswar gadaixados mowmis sasamarTloSi gamoZaxebasa da dakiTxvasTan dakavSirebuli xarjebi. aseT SemTxvevaSi mowmes gamoiZaxebs sasamarTlo mas Semdeg,
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_ var mopasuxe. ra samarTlebrivi Sedegebi dadgeba, Tu ar
warvadgen Sesagebels?
_ mopasuxis mier dadgenil
vadaSi pasuxis (Sesagebels) warudgenlobisas, Tu es gamowveulia arasapatio mizeziT, mosamarTles zepiri mosmenis gareSe gamoaqvs dauswrebeli gadawyvetileba. amasTanave mosamarTle daakmayofilebs sarCels, Tu masSi
miTiTebuli garemoebebi iuridiulad amarTlebs sasarCelo moTxovnas; winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi
sasamarTlo niSnavs mTavar sxdomas, ris Sesaxebac ecnobebaT mxareebs kanoniT dadgenili wesiT.
sxdomis Catarebis SemTxvevaSi
mopasuxisgan mtkicebulebaTa miReba ar xdeba da sasamarTlo moismens mopasuxis mxolod
samarTlebriv mosazrebebs
sasarCelo moTxovnasTan
dakavSirebiT.
* * *
_ SeiZleba Tu ara
mowmis dakiTxva mis adgilsamyofelze?
_ mowmis dakiTxva
warmoebs Ria sasamarTlo
sxdomaze. arsebobs gamonaklisic. kerZod: mowme
SeiZleba daikiTxos mis
adgilsamyofelze, Tu:
a) avadmyofobis, moxucebulobis, invalidobis an sxva sapatio mizeziT mas ar SeuZlia gamocxaddes sasamarTloSi;
b) saqmis garemobaTa mixedviT
misi adgilze dakiTxva ufro mizanSewonilia;
g) dakiTxul unda iqnes ramdenime mowme, romlebic erT adgilas cxovroben da maTi sasamarTloSi gamoZaxeba da dakiTxva
dakavSirebuli iqneboda did xarjebTan;
d) sxva SemTxvevebSi _ sasamarTlos Sexedulebisamebr.
* * *
_ dabarebuli var Tbilisis
saqalaqo sasamarTloSi samoqalaqo saqmeze mowmis saxiT. vcxovrob raionSi. finansuri saxsrebi ar gamaCnia. rogor moviqce?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 146-e muxlis I nawilis mixedviT, mowmes ufleba aqvs, moiTxovos sasamarTloSi gamoZaxebasTan
* * *
_ romelma sasamarTlom unda
ganixilos Svilad ayvanis saqme?
_ bavSvis Svilad ayvanis Sesaxeb sarCeli SeiZleba Setanil
iqnes sasamarTloSi mSvileblis
an gasaSvilebeli bavSvis adgilsamyofelis mixedviT.
* * *
_ sad SeiZleba Sevitano sarCeli mamobis dadgenis Sesaxeb?
vixdi Tu ara saxelmwifo baJs?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 46-e muxlis Inawilis `g~
q-punqtis Sesabamisad, saxelmwifo biujetis sasargeblod sasamarTlo xarjebis gadaxdisagan
Tavisufldebian mosarCeleebi danaSauliT miyenebuli materialuri zaralis anazRaurebis sarCelebze.
* * *
_ SeiZleba Tu ara saapelacio instanciaSi Sevitano Segebebuli sarCeli?
_ ara.
samoqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 381-e muxlis mixedviT, davis
sagnis Secvla an gadideba, agreTve, Segubebuli sarCelis Setana
saapelacio sasamarTloSi dauSvebelia.
* * *
_ gadawyvetileba Sevida kanonier ZalaSi da eqvemdebareba
aRsrulebas. Sevitane gancxadeba
saqmis warmoebis ganaxlebis Sesaxeb. SeCerdeba Tu ara aRsruleba?
_ saqmis ganaxlebis Sesaxeb
gancxadeba ver SeaCerebs gadawyvetilebis aRsrulebas. sasamarTlos SeuZlia, Tavisi ganCinebiT
droebiT SeaCeros gadawyvetilebis aRsruleba. gadawyvetilebis
iZulebiT sisruleSi moyvana imaze iqneba damokidebuli, iZleva
Tu ara saqmis warmoebis momTxovni piri Sesabamis garantiebs.
* * *
_ ra SemTxvevebSi SeiZleba
sasamarTlom SeaCeros saqmis warmoeba?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso kanonmdebloba gansazRvravs sasamarTlos movaleobas da uflebas
saqmis warmoebis SeCerebis Sesaxeb. mogaxsenebT orive SemTxvevis
Sesaxeb:
_ samoqalaqo saproceso kanonmdebloba gansazRvravs sasamarTlos movaleobas da uflebas
saqmis warmoebis SeCerebis Sesaxeb. mogaxsenebT orive SemTxvevis
Sesaxeb:
_ sasamarTlo valdebulia
SeaCeros saqmis warmoeba Semdeg
SemTxvevebSi:
a) moqalaqis gardacvalebisas,
Tu sadavo-samarTlebrivi urTierToba dasaSvebad Tvlis uflebamonacvleobas an im iuridiuli
piris arsebobis Sewyvetisas, romelic saqmeSi mxares warmoadgens:
b) mxaris mier qmedunarianobis dakargvisas;
g) saqarTvelos SeiaraRebuli
Zalebis moqmed nawilSi mopasuxis yofnisas an aseTive nawilebSi myofi mosarCelis TxovniT;
d) Tu saqmis ganxilva SeuZlebelia sxva saqmis gadawyvetde,
romelic ganxilul unda iqnas
samoqalaqo, sisxlis samarTlis
an administraciuli wesiT;
e) Tu saqmis ganixilavs restituciisa da kompensaciis komisia an komisiis komiteti;
v) Tu saqmis ganmxilveli sasamarTlos azriT, kanoniT, romelic am saqmisaTvis unda iqnas gamoyenebuli, ar Seesabameba an ewinaaRmdegeba konstitucias, sasamarTlo SeaCerebs saqmis ganxilvas am sakiTxze sakonstitucio
sasamarTlos mier gadawyvetilebis miRebamde, ris Semdegac saqmis ganxilva ganaxldeba.
_ sasamarTlos, mxareTa
gancxadebiT an Tavisi iniciativiT, SeuZlia SeaCeros saqmis warmoeba, Tu:
a) mxare imyofeba namdvil vadian samxedro samsaxurSi an gawveulia raime
saxelmwifo movaleobis Sesasruleblad;
b) mxare imyofeba xangrZliv samsaxurebriv mivlinebaSi;
g) mxare imyofeba samkurnalo dawesebulebaSi an
avad aris, ris gamoc saSualeba ara aqvs, gamocxaddes sasamarTloSi da es
dainteresdeba samedicino
dawesebulebis cnobiT;
d) gamocxadebulia mopasuxis
Zebna kanoniT gaTvaliswinebul
SemTxvevebSi.
e) sasamarTlom daniSna eqspertiza.
* * *
_ Cemma advokatma fostas Caabara sarCeli Cems yofil meuRleze gadasacemad. saqme ganqorwinebas exeba. Cemma yofilma meuRlem gzavnilis miRebaze uari ganacxada. ra moxdeba?
_ Tu adresatma uari ganacxada gzavnilis miRebaze, misi mimtani piri saTanado aRniSnvnas gaakeTebs gzavnilze, romelic sasamarTlos unda waredginos. aseT
SemTxvevaSi gzavnili adresatisaTvis Cabarebulad CaiTvleba. es
imas niSnavs, rom dainiSneba sasamarTlo procesi.
frenisas SeiaraRebuli damnaSaveebis jgufi pilotis kabinaSi SeiWra. maT daWres bortmeqanikosi da saqarTvelos samoqalwaqo aviaciis sammarTvelos
safrenosno-SturmanTa
ganyofilebis ufrosis moadgile. gamtaceblebma moiTxoves
kursis Secvla da TurqeTSi
gafrena.
am ambebamde cota xniT adre kinostudia `mosfilmSi~ gadaRebul iqna mxatvruli filmi `gangaSi~. igi, Cveulebriv,
sajaro CvenebisTvis ar gadauciaT. filmi mxolod samarTaldamcavi organoebisa da aeroflotis TanamSromlebs aCvenes.
scenari martivi iyo, filmi
saswavlo masalas hgavda. damnaSaveebma, romelTac sazRvargareT wasvla gadawyvites, stiuardesas winaSe axalgazrduli
qorwili gaiTamaSes. stiuardesas sTxoves bileTebi da bortze Zvirfasi WurWliT savse
CanTis Setana, rodesac `nefe-
ar imyofeboda, magram banditebs
erTi mgzavri saeWvod moeCvenaT.
wereTelma samgzavro adgili datova, mivida mgzavrTan da
TavSi Sampanuris boTli Caartya. kobiZem da Zmebma pirvelebma (iverieli-lekiSvili) Seipyres stiuardesa, cocxal farad
ifares da pilotis kabinaSi Se-
`alfa~ TbilisSi
mifrinavs~
patarZali~ da CanTa bortze aRmoCnda, swrafad gamoirkva, rom
faifuris magivrad CanTaSi iaraRi ido. bednieri Seyvarebulebi
ki iaraRis kargad mflobeli
damnaSaveebi aRmoCndnen. filmis
scenaris mixedviT, ase iqna gatacebuli TviTmfrinavi.
`kinos~ msgavsi scenariT,
TviTmfrinavi TbilisSi iqna gatacebuli. aRweril movlenebamde erTi dRis adre (e.i. 17 noembers) momavalma teroristebma _ skola-internatis pedagogma da SeTavsebiT studia
`qarTuli filmis~ mxatvarma
wereTelma da samxatvro akademiis arqiteqturis fakultetis
mesame kursis studentma patiaSvilma (sinamdvileSi, misi
gvari iyo fetviaSvili) qorwili gadaixades. mowveul stumarTa Soris aeroportis TanamSromeli qalbatonic iyo. qorwilSi mas moelaparaknen, rom
igi axaldaqorwinebulTaTvis
SeiZenda bileTebs da TviTmfrinavis bortze, Semowmebis gareSe, sadeputato darbazidan
Seiyvanda. rogorc Caifiqres,
isec ganxorcielda.
eqvsi damnaSave, cxrametidan
ocdaaT wlamde axalgazrdebi _
eqimi Zmebi pirvelebi (sinamdvileSi maTi gvari iyo iverielebi-lekiSvili), adre xulignobisTvis orjer nasamarTlevi
kobiZe, Tbilisis erT-erTi
umaRlesi saswavleblis studenti (gvari araa miTiTebuli
savaraudod saubaria gega kobaxiZeze) da CvenTvis ukve nacnobi ojaxi wereTeli-patiaSvili
(unda iyos fetviaSvili) aeroportSi mividnen. isini iq Sexvdnen or nacnob gogonas, romelTac SesTavazes sxva qalaqSi gafrena, ise, rom sakuTari
gegma maTTvis ar gaumJRavnebiaT. mTeli es kompania, Semowmebis gareSe sadeputato darbazis gavliT avida TviTmfrinavSi, romelic male afrinda.
frenisas damnaSaveebma salonSi mgzavrebis Seswavla daiwyes. isini aeroflotis usafrTxoebis samsaxuris muSaks
eZebdnen, romlebic, rogorc wesi, aseTi grZeli marSrutis
dros TviTmfrinavs acileben.
dadgenili wesis darRveviT,
bortze usafrTxoebis muSaki
iWrnen. iaraRis muqariT maT
kursis Secvla da TurqeTSi
gafrena moiTxoves. konfliqtis
mogvarebis mizniT, bort-meqanikosi Seepasuxa: `romeli TurqeTi? Tqven azrze xarT, ras
ambobT? TviTmfrinavs am manZilze gadafrena ar SeuZlia!~
diskusiis gareSe erT-erTma
damnaSavem auRelveblad mas esrola da sasikvdilod daWra,
Semdeg tyvia safrenosno-SturmanTa ganyofilebis ufrosis
moadgiles daaxala, romelic
ekipaJTan erTad mifrinavda.
magram teroristebma ver
SeamCnies rom pilotTakabinis
wina nawilSi, fardis ukan,
TviTmfrinavis Sturmani idga.
Sturmanma swrafad Seafasa viTareba da Tavdamsxmelebs sapasuxo cecxli gauxsna, erTi
mokla da erTic daWra. xomaldis meTauri ar daibna da haerSi umaRlesi pilotaJis ramdenime figura Seasrula, riTac
damnaSaveTa moqmedeba Seaferxa.
rogorc specialistebma Semdgom gamoTvales, am manevrebis
Sesrulebisas TviTmfrinavis
konstruqciaze zewola samjer
aRemateboda dasaSveb normebs.
am manevrebis Sedegad teroristebi pilotis kabinidan gamovardnen da ekipaJma kabinis karis Caketva moaswro.
xomaldis meTauri ar daemorCila TavdamsxmelTa moTxovnas, da miuxedavad rikoSetuli tyviiT fexSi daWrisa,
TviTmfrinavi Tbilisis aeroportSi dasva. aeroportis
asafren-dasafren zolze TviTmfrinavi mZimed daeSva, dartymam
yvela teqnologiuri luki da
marjvena mxris saavario karebi
gaaRo, sanam TviTmfrinavi safren zolze moZraobda, erT-erTma stiuardesam, isargebla ra
damnaSaveebis uyuradRebobiT,
scada TviTmfrinavis mTavari
karis gaReba da gadmoxtoma.
teroristma es SeamCnia da esrola. mogvianebiT, eqspertizam
daadgina, rom safren bilikze
stiuardesa mkvdari daeca.
tyvia mas gulSi moxvda. es ukve meoTxe msxverpli iyo.
daviT arabiZe
(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)
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astrologiuri
prognozi
romeli qveyana gaqreba pirvelad
vangas winaswarmetyvelebis mixedviT?
verZi _ mTlianobaSi
es periodi TqvenTvis
warmatebuli iqneba, Tumca SesaZloa, mogiwioT garkveuli daZabuli saubrebi.
Tu dasasveneblad gamgzavrebas ver axerxebT, maSin mcire
xniT ganmartovdiT.
cnobili bulgareli winaswarmetyveli ambobs Tu ratom daiRupebian evropis qveynebi. vanga laparakobs musulmanur qveynebs
Soris omze, sadac gamoyenebuli iqneba qimiuri iaraRi. Sedegad
2016 wels evropa mTlianad ganadgurdeba. qimiuri iarRisgan adamianebis dauavaddebaT Tvalebi, sasunTqi gzebi, kuW-nawlavi, gauCndebaT kanis sneulebani. musulmanuri saxelmwifoebi Seqmnian qimiur iaraRs da ganadgurdeba aTobiT saxelmwifo. rac gamoiwvevs
kanis wylulebs, daibadebian juja adamianebi. 2016 wels evropa
dacarieldeba.
vangas winaswametyveleba iaponiis atomuri eleqtrosadguris
`fukusima-1~ avariis Sedegebzec saubrobs.
yarayums gamyinvareba elodeba
didi xani ar aris, rac mecnierebma SeamCnies, rom centraluri aziis mTebSi _ yarayumze yinulis safari izrdeba. mis siaxloves himalaize ki yinuli dnobas agrZelebs. ra aris yarayumis
anomaliis mizezi?
Tu imas gaviTvaliswinebT, rom aqtiurad midis yinulis dnoba
mTel dedamiwaze, yarayumis SemTxveva paradoqsulad CaiTvleba. ra
intensivobiTac sxvagan dneba yinuli, imave intensivobiT yarayumze yinulis safari izrdeba, cvlilebebi aq 2005 wlidan mimdinareobs.
kuro _ Tu Tqven xelovnebas raime kuTxiT
emsaxurebiT, maSin, SeecadeT, dasvenebacota xniT
gadadoT da es dro gamoiyenoT.
SegaxsenebT, rom yarayumis mTaTa sistema mongoleTs, CineTs,
indoeTsa da pakistans akravs da erT-erT yvelaze maRal mTaTa
sistemad iTvleba msoflioSi. mTis kldeTa saSualo simaRle daaxloebiT 6000 metria, ufro maRali, vidre tibetSi, sadac saSualo simaRle 4880 metri gaxlavT. yarayumSi zogierTi mTis simaRle zRvis donidan 8000 km aRwevs. yinulis safari aq 15,4 000
kv. km-zea gadaWimuli. miiCneva, rom yarayumi yvelaze grZeli yinulovani mTaa msoflioSi.
sainteresoa, rom gasul saukuneSi yarayumis yinulovani safari ramdenadme Semcirda (magaliTad, yinulovani mTa bartolo
1928-58 wlebSi 500 metriT dapataravda), 70-ian wlebSi situacia stabiluri iyo. aravin moeloda, rom saukunis bolos situacia Seicvleboda, amitom sistematiuri kvlevebi aRar mimdinareobda.
2005 wels glaciologebi gaognebuli darCnen da hqondaT kidec amis mizezi. yarayumis yinulis safari ufro da ufro izrdeboda. axla mTliani yinulovani farTobi 16,3 000kv.km-ia.
himalaize yinuli dneba. amas globalur daTmobas miaweren, magram Tuki yarayumze yinulis safari izrdeba. ra unda niSnavdes es?
kvleva daiwyes da 2000 wels TebervalSi kosmosuri Tanamgzavri `indevori~, xolo 2008 wlis dekemberSi franguli Tanamgzavri spot-5 gaagzavnes.
yinulis safari aSkarad gazrdili iyo. yinuli dRiTidRe izrdeba. kvlevis Sedegebi jer ar aris cnobili.
moamzada ana vadaWkoriam
tyupebi _ met-nnaklebad warmatebuli kvira
geliT, mosalodnelia
perspeqtiuli winadadebebis
miReba, amitom yvela sakiTxi
seriozulad unda gaaanalizdes.
kirCxibi _ SeecadeT
axali araferi wamoiwyoT da cota xniT
yoveldRiuri saqmiT SemoifargloT an CaerTod daisvenoT.
lomi _ daastabilureT urTierTobebi garSemomyofebTan da partniorebTan, nu iqnebiT konfliqturi da nu SeecdebiT
sakuTari pirobebis xazgasmas.
qalwuli _ gaaqtiurdeba Tqveni saqmiani
urTierTobebi, SeecadeT, ar iyoT kritikuli da
zedmeti analiziTa da auditiT momavali partniorebi ar
daafrTxoT.
saswori _ iyaviT
mSvidi da diplomatiuri, amave dros SeecadeT, am periodSi yvela perspeqtiva Tu Sansi gamoiyenoT.
morieli _ kviris
dasawyisi da kviris bolo warmatebuli iqneba,
am dReebSi mosalodnelia sasargeblo Sexvedrebi da molaparakebebi.
mSvildosani
_
mkveTrad gaumjobesdeba
Tqveni inteleqtualuri
SesaZleblobebi, rac Tavis
mxriv dadebiTad aisaxeba.
Txis rqa _ mogiwevT
sakmaod bevri informaciis miReba-ggadamuSaveba, Tumca, mosalodnelia aq
cru da fsevdo-iinformaciebic
iyos.
eris naTeli momavali eklesia-monastrebis mSeneblobaSia, miiReT monawileoba wmida andria pirvelwodebulis monastris mSeneblobaSi. ufali SegewevaT. bednieri adamiani - morwmune adamiania.
rom gwamdes - unda daijero, rom gjerodes - unda
gindodes, madli rom moipovo - unda gsurdes. qarTvelno, erTad RvTisaken!
RmerTma daglocoT da gagaZlieroT!
merwyuli _ am kviraSi garkveuli gamarTlebis albaTobac geqnebaT, mosalodnelia sasimamovno informacia miiRoT ucxoeTidan.
Tevzebi _ es kvira
sakmaod mSvid tempSi
Caivlis da raime garTulebas adgili ar eqneba. mogiwevT saojaxo problemebis
gadawyveta. SesaZloa saCuqrebiT miiRoT.
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