NORT TH PARK C K – MID-C CITY REG GIONAL L BIKE CO

NORT
TH PARK
K – MID-C
CITY REG
GIONAL
L BIKE CO
ORRIDO
OR PROJE
ECT
SA
AN DIEGO
O ASSOCIA
ATION OFF GOVERN
NMENTS
COMMUNITY ADVISORY GROUP MEEETING 3
June 25, 2013 Š 6:00 p.m.. – 8:30 p.m
m.
Teen Ch
hallenge Ce
enter
5450 Lea Streett, San Diego, CA 9210
05
MEETING SUMM
MARY
OVERVIEW
The San Diego Asso
ociation of Governmen
nts (SANDA
AG) has form
med a community advvisory
group to
o assist with
h the plann
ning and de
esign of the
e North Parrk – Mid-Citty Regional Bike
Corridorrs Project. Th
he role of th
he North Pa
ark – Mid-Ciity Regional Bike Corrid
dors Community
Advisory
y Group (A
Advisory Group) is to provide in
n-depth inp
put on com
mmunity isssues,
opportunities, and
d proposed
d facility designs an
nd to faccilitate bro
oad community
involvem
ment from kick-off
k
to completion
c
of the plan
nning and d
design phase
e of the pro
oject.
The Advisory Group
p is meeting four times at key project mileston
nes.
eeting was held on Ju
une 25, 20
013 at the Teen Challenge
The thirrd Advisory Group me
Center, located
l
at 5450
5
Lea Strreet, San Die
ego, CA 921
105. The pu
urpose of th
he third Advvisory
Group meeting
m
wass to:
•
•
•
•
•
Review
R
the outcomes
o
off the first an
nd second A
Advisory Gro
oup meetings;
Review
R
the project
p
goals and the re
elationship between th
he goals and
d the corridors;
Describe
D
the alignment alternatives analysis prrocess;
Describe
D
wh
hat is being proposed
d for each
h alignmen
nt and the results off the
alignment sttudy; and
Discuss
D
and gather
g
Advisory Group
p input on tthe benefitss and challe
enges associated
with
w
each off the alignm
ment optionss.
Approxim
mately 50 community
c
members attended
a
th
he third Ad
dvisory Gro
oup meeting
g. Of
those who
w
attende
ed, 16 werre Advisory Group me
embers. All communitty memberss are
welcome
e and encou
uraged to atttend the Advisory
A
Gro
oup meeting
gs.
The matterials prese
ented and input obtain
ned at the Advisory Group meetiings will alsso be
posted to
t www.kee
epsandiegom
moving.com
m/NorthPark
kMidCityBik
ke for comm
munity mem
mbers
to review
w and comm
ment on after each mee
eting.
The following secttions summ
marize community me
embers’ disscussions du
uring the third
Advisory
y Group me
eeting, orga
anized by meeting
m
top
pic. Each se
ection brieffly describess the
agenda item (show
wn in italics) and th
hen lists co
ommunity members’ comments and
question
ns. Where applicable,
a
the
t
project team’s resp
ponses are listed below
w the respe
ective
1
question
n (shown in italics). Forr the small group discu
ussions, com
mments from
m all group
ps are
summariized by corrridor.
SUMMA
ARY OF TO
OPICS AND
D DISCUSS
SIONS
I. Welc
come and
d Introduc
ctions
Council President Todd Gloria
a (District 3) welcom ed particip
pants to th
he meeting and
thanked
d them for their continued involvement. Eliisa Arias, SA
SANDAG Priincipal Regional
Planner, welcomed
d participan
nts and desscribed herr role in m
managing th
he agenda and
facilitating the large group disscussion of the
t meeting
g. Ms. Ariass also provid
ded an overrview
of the meeting
m
pu
urpose and
d agenda, inviting
i
anyy questionss about the agenda from
participa
ants.
II. Project Overv
view
Bridget Enderle, SA
ANDAG Asssociate Plan
nner and N
North Park – Mid-Cityy Regional Bike
Corridorrs Project Manager provided an ov
verview of tthe project goals and b
background
d. She
then exp
plained the alignment alternative
es analysis p
process and provided a preview of the
six highest scoring
g alignmentt alternativ
ves, which includes tw
wo alignme
ent optionss per
corridor..
III. Alig
gnment Op
ptions and
d Analysis
s Results
Ms. Arias introduce
ed the purpose and forrmat of the
e small grou
up discussio
ons and orie
ented
participa
ants to the four statio
ons. Three stations pro
ovided info
ormation an
nd discussio
on in
English about
a
each of the thre
ee alignmen
nt corridorss, North, Ce
entral, and SSouth, with
h two
alignmen
nts in each corridor. A fourth sta
ation provid
ded informa
ation and d
discussion a
about
all three
e corridors in Spanish. Participan
nts spent tw
wenty minu
utes at eacch station, after
which th
he facilitato
ors rotated to
t move to the next g
group. Afterr three roun
nds, particip
pants
had an opportunity
o
y to discuss all
a six alignm
ments in the
e three corrridors.
For each
h round, fa
acilitators provided
p
an
n overview
w of the po
otential aliignments, ccrosssections, key interse
ection treattments, and
d results of the detaile
ed analysis. The community
then pro
ovided feedback and diiscussion off the challen
nges and be
enefits assocciated with each
alignmen
nt, and the
e ability off each optio
on to achie
eve the pro
oject goals. Discussionss are
summariized below by corridor:: North, Cen
ntral, and So
outh.
2
North Corridor
C
Discussion
•
[P
Pointing to a diagram of a cycle track/protectted bikewa
ay] The wayy the bike la
ane is
on the inside – betwee
en the sidew
walk and r aised curb – that shou
uld be on e
every
sttreet; it is safer
s
for th
he bike ride
ers than ha ving the biike lane on
n the outsid
de of
parked cars next
n
to trav
vel lanes.
•
Are
A you sayiing Meade is more rela
axed?
-
If imp
plemented, Meade wo
ould have lless traffic and be slo
ower than e
exists
today
y; El Cajon would
w
be more
m
comple
ex to implem
ment and w
would cost a
about
2.5 tim
mes more th
han constru
ucting the M
Meade Ave o
option.
•
Fo
or the Mid--City Rapid bus projectt are there a full set o
of construction drawings to
co
ompare to the
t cycle tra
ack option on
o El Cajon??
•
Fo
or impleme
entation, is it
i worth it to
t save up – in time and money – and get a d
direct
fa
acility or a “quick
“
and dirty” and cheaper faccility? Would it actuallly be possib
ble to
get a facility on El Cajon
n or would it cost more
e than is bud
dgeted for this projectt?
•
With
W
a cycle track on El Cajon Blvd,, would trafffic volumess decrease?
•
What
W
aboutt commercial vehicles;; how wou
uld bikes o
on El Cajon
n coincide with
co
ommercial vehicles?
v
•
Another
A
surv
vey should be conduccted before deciding tto cross offf El Cajon a
as an
option; a lott of things can
c change in 10 yearss. As a bike rider, I thin
nk it has a lot to
do with it, th
he cars mov
ve too fast. The busine
esses are failing. And th
here are a lot of
scchools arou
und there to
oo. I think people wo
ould supporrt it more n
now today than
before.
•
Did
D you men
ntion that th
here is a pre
etty high levvel of servicce on El Cajo
on?
-
Yes, basically,
b
you could rem
move a trave
el lane and not create gridlock, exxcept
for so
ome congesttion at the freeways.
f
•
I know the YMCA
Y
is going to have a huge dra
aw. I know h
having a saffe route forr kids
iss important. We should
d think about putting tthe money toward El C
Cajon to ma
ake a
bikeway. We
e should think about otthers who a
aren’t as goo
od of riderss as we are.
•
One
O of the benefits
b
I se
ee is the con
ntinuation o
of flow. Peo
ople say tha
at bicyclists stop
att stop ligh
hts, but in reality the
ey don’t. W
We should have a free-flowing ride
ex
xperience.
•
Ten years ag
go the trafffic analysis was
w about tthe same; itt showed yyou could ta
ake a
la
ane. Now th
here is more
e support, however. Me
eade could be a catalysst, howeverr.
•
Most
M
of the business com
mmunity do
oes support a cycle tracck on El Cajo
on.
•
Iff the Mid-City Rapid bu
us project is also on El C
Cajon, does it help to o
offset the co
ost of
th
he project by
b combinin
ng it with th
he bus facilitty?
-
The Mid-City
M
Rap
pid bus projject is break
king ground
d this month
h.
•
With
W
El Cajon, you’re prroviding a direct
d
accesss route from
m SDSU to D
Downtown.
•
There are th
hree lanes in each dire
ection. Doess the Mid-C
City Rapid b
bus take aw
way a
3
la
ane?
-
•
Iff a cycle tracck went in, that would take one o
of the lanes??
-
•
No.
Yes, that
t
is an option.
o
Is th
here comm
munity supp
port for rem
moval of a lane,
when
n there wasn
n’t support ten years ag
go?
Would
W
there
e be impact to parking on El Cajon
n?
-
There
e would be little impacct to parkin
ng, but, as iit is shown here, the m
major
impacct would be
e to a travel lane in eacch direction..
•
I like to bike
e to businessses and resstaurants. Iff the facilityy were on M
Meade, it w
would
le
ead from low
w-stress to very
v
stressfu
ul.
•
Iff you put a cycle track on El Cajon
n, traffic wiill take the side streetss. Also, I haven’t
se
een how the cycle tracks will interrface with tthe intersecttions. We are also tryin
ng to
bring our kid
ds out.
•
Cycle tracks are
a safe.
•
Using
U
El Cajjon, you ca
an make cycling a mo
ore popular and accesssible option
n for
ordinary peo
ople.
•
There is not a high levell of traffic on
o El Cajon Blvd.
•
We
W have to start thinking about health
h
whe n considering the options. On Meade
Avenue,
A
it’s a healthier place to ride becausse there arre less emisssions and m
more
trrees.
•
I think
t
El Cajon will be worth
w
the wait
w because
e Meade is a
already fine
e.
•
Why
W have th
he cycling fa
acility separated on Me
eade? Why not have bo
oth directio
ons of
th
he bikeway together and have mo
ore of a par k buffer.
•
When
W
picking three opttions, we ne
eed to think
k about spre
eading them
m out. We d
don’t
want
w
three facilities
f
alll close toge
ether. It see
ems like, if you’re going to impa
act El
Cajon, we should
s
leav
ve Universitty alone a nd choose a bike bo
oulevard op
ption
in
nstead.
•
I think Mead
de is a grea
at street, but
b that the
e climb up from Texass is a signifficant
cllimb. We sh
hould institu
ute something like “The
e Wiggle” iin San Franccisco.
•
The hill is no
ot as intimid
dating as th
he traffic. Yo
ou have to stop for tra
affic right a
at the
bottom of th
he hill.
•
Iss there a lim
mited amount of mone
ey for all off the projectts? If we usse all the money
on El Cajon, might we run out of money?
m
•
Itt seems Meade would be a be
etter shot economically because
e there are
e no
businesses th
here; it wou
uld be easierr.
•
Would
W
putting a cycle track
t
on El Cajon
C
precl ude ever ha
aving a ded
dicated BRT
T (bus
ra
apid transit)) lane there
e?
•
What
W
about a combined
d bike/bus la
ane on El Ca
ajon?
4
•
Are
A you guy
ys coordina
ating with the Mid-Ciity Rapid b
bus project folks? Are
e the
groups coorrdinating, especially
e
where
w
the projects co
onnect? Evven if theyy are
parallel facilities, they will
w still mee
et up. I am seeing so m
many areas w
where there are
siilos within SANDAG
S
and its projectts.
•
Given
G
how far
f along th
he El Cajon rapid bus p
project is, w
will they alre
eady have a
all of
th
he bus infra
astructure built by the time
t
we havve finished designing tthis?
-
They are breakin
ng ground th
his month. It is ten yea
ars in the ma
aking. We ccould
try to
o make it so
o that retro
ofitting for b
bike facilitiies is possib
ble, but it w
would
still ad
dd a lot of time
t
and money.
•
Assuming
A
th
hat the Ho
oward corrridor move
es forward,, wouldn’t it be kind of
re
edundant to
o have anotther bicycle boulevard over on Me
eade? Wouldn’t it be b
better
to
o have more
e diversity of
o facility ty
ypes?
•
I see what he
e’s saying. It seems to apply even more to cyycle tracks. M
Maybe one cycle
aybe one bicycle boulev
vard would be best.
trrack and ma
•
The distinctio
on would be
b that peop
ple on El Ca
ajon Blvd are going the
ere because they
have a reaso
on to. I think that Meade is more of a leisure
ely ride. If tthe densifica
ation
goes in on Ell Cajon, as itt is slated to
o, I think th
hey would re
eally like a b
bike facilityy.
•
Le
et’s look att the Mead
de – Monro
oe option, it’s not a d
destination. To the ea
ast, it
doesn’t go anywhere.
a
This
T
might be okay. M
Meade might give us th
he chance tto do
so
omething in
ntelligent with
w
Fairmou
unt, which has really b
bad traffic currently. Meade
– Monroe is cheaper,
c
fasster, better.
•
The Mid-City
y Rapid bus is going to
o have the p
possibility o
of having a shared buss/bike
la
ane. I am up
pset that th
he project was
w not a co
omplete strreets projecct to begin w
with;
th
he whole co
ommunity was
w in favor of a compl ete streets d
design.
•
I agree thatt you will get
g more “eight-to-eig
ghty” traffiic on Mead
de. You will get
more
m
benefits to busine
esses on El Cajon. Kee
ep in mind also the fact that Mid
d-City
Rapid
R
will be
e transitioniing to rail; we
w should p
plan ahead ffor rail.
•
University
U
Av
venue is acttually a bettter corridor than El Cajon.
•
Not
N being co
ombined, building botth the bike and bus prrojects is go
oing to be extra
disruptive to
o communitiies.
•
Iff you wantt a direct route
r
that goes throu
ugh communities and
d opens up
p the
co
ommunitiess, you should not have
e five projeccts going on at once tthat you are
e not
co
ombining.
•
When
W
you ha
ave bike corridors on commercial
c
corridors, yyou need to have more
e bike
ra
acks than an
nywhere elsse.
•
I would like SANDAG to
o consider the
t
use of b
bike facilitie
es by all use
ers; conside
er the
needs of lesss able cyclistts.
•
I think it com
mes down to
t design. I think peop
ple would b
be surprised
d by how sa
afe it
fe
eels to be in
n a truly sep
parated facility.
•
Iff I were to pick a main
n corridor, I’d
I pick Uniiversity or W
Washington
n. But no matter
where
w
it is, we
w should have bike pa
arking.
5
•
Slowing dow
wn traffic on El Cajon would
w
not be a bad th
hing; it would be good for
everyone.
•
El Cajon has much high
her stakes in
n terms of design. You
u have to d
do a really g
good
jo
ob in terms of all the in
ntersections or it won’tt be a successsful projectt.
•
I am concern
ned that if we build these
t
proje
ects on majo
or corridorss, traffic wiill be
displaced fro
om major co
orridors into
o residentia l neighborh
hoods.
•
I am wonde
ering if the
ere is a wa
ay to conn
nect the tw
wo -- have a great biicycle
nd have it connect to El
E Cajon in a really grea
at way.
boulevard an
h Discussio
on Station
Spanish
Resumen
n:
La mitad
d del grupo
o prefería la
a ruta en Meade-Mon
M
nroe por serr más residencial, segu
uro y
orientad
da a la co
omunidad y también
n porque e
el proyecto
o duraría menos tie
empo
impleme
entar que la
a ruta en El Cajon Boulevard dado
o al proyecto
o del Rapid Bus que se
e va a
impleme
entar entre poco. La otra
o
mitad del
d grupo p
prefería la rruta en El C
Cajon Boule
evard
porque es
e más direccto y tiene más
m destino
os comercial es, y porque
e la calle ess bien ancha
a.
Comenta
arios:
•
Hay
H mucho tráfico
t
en Monroe
M
Aven
nue ahora, lo que hace
e peligroso andar en biici en
esa calle.
•
Tiene más se
entido pone
er el ciclovía
a en El Cajo
on Boulevarrd porque h
hay más desstinos
co
omerciales y si el carrril se hace en Monroe
e, los viajad
dores en bici tendrían
n que
desviarse parra llegar a sus
s destinos.
•
El Cajon Bou
ulevard es muy
m amplio, así que es u
una buena o
opción.
•
Opción
O
1D en El Cajon Boulevard
B
se
ería una sen
ndabici máss protegida ya que tend
drían
que protege
er el carril de bicis del trafico d
demás con barreras ffísicas y po
orque
pondrían se
eñales para bicis; todo eso haríía que la calle sea m
más segura
a, no
so
olamente pa
ara ciclistas,, pero tamb
bién para pe
eatones.
•
Tomaría dem
masiado tiem
mpo realiza
ar el proyeccto en El Ca
ajon Boulevvard y sería muy
ca
aro.
•
La
a opción en
n Meade y Monroe ess mejor porrque sería m
menos estre
esante anda
ar en
bici en esa ca
alle por la menor
m
cantid
dad de tráf ico y tambié
én por el menor costo.
•
Tendría mied
do llevar a mis
m hijos en bici en El C
Cajon por la velocidad d
de los vehículos.
•
Lo
os divisores que pon
ndrían en El
E Cajon B
Boulevard n
no serían ssuficientes para
proteger los que andan en bici ya que
q no se pu
uede ponerr divisores e
elevados.
•
Esperamos que
q
hagan
n una send
dabici en C
Collwood B
Boulevard que coneccte a
University
U
Av
venue.
En Aldin
ne Drive, hay
y una porció
ón de la calle que cruce
e la avenida
a Monroe que es muy
peligroso
o.
6
Central Corridor Discussion
D
•
At 30
0th and Upa
as, how will you get lo
ower traffic volumes iff the zoning
g is going u
up in
that area?
a
•
Woulld there be
e mature tre
ees included
d in the Orrange corrid
dor? The trrees are nicce on
Mead
de – could we
w have som
mething sim
milar on Oran
nge?
•
On Esstrella there
e are three churches and
a
two sch
hools that could be acccessed if we
e just
wentt straight do
own Estrella
a rather than Winona.
•
The Lincoln/Univ
L
versity split is a stressful area.
•
We walked
w
with
h several re
esidents and
d also biked
d through tthe project area. The g
good
thing
g about Estrrella is that it is relative
ely flat, and
d if anythin
ng works ou
ut with El Cajon,
it cou
uld run all th
he way thro
ough, conne
ecting the ccorridors.
•
College is a grea
at north -- so
outh route for
f the futu
ure. Keep th
hat in mind..
•
Woulld it be po
ossible to build
b
something to c ross over 5
54th on University? M
Maybe
some
ething with grade separation?
•
Whatt about a sp
pecial signal light for th
he bikes at 5
54th and University?
•
Florid
da is a bette
er connector than Georrgia.
•
Georg
gia is a nicce place to ride and itt would be
e nice to be able to ccut through
h the
median on El Cajjon from Ge
eorgia St.
•
ons?
Is the
ere a differe
ence in cost between th
he two optio
-
Yes, option
o
2C iss more expe
ensive. The improvemen
i
p the
nts at 54th and Univerrsity drive up
cost significantly
s
y.
•
Unive
ersity (2C) is the most intuitive option. All o
of the zigza
ags on 2B a
are not intu
uitive
and steep.
s
Peop
ple are ridin
ng on Unive
ersity now a
and it is un
nsafe. We d
don’t know that
they will ride on
n the other option justt because yo
ou install w
wayfinding ssigns and trraffic
calmiing.
•
I wan
nt to say the
t
oppositte – the Krroc Center has major draws so if you build on
Unive
ersity, traffic would be
e pushed farther into o
our neighbo
orhood. Fo
or the 2B op
ption
on ne
eighborhoo
od streets, itt looks like a lot of turn
ns but those
e are the ve
ery routes I used
to tak
ke. Part of the
t attractiv
veness is the
e meanderi ng aspect o
of it. This wiill draw fam
milies.
It will cost less money.
m
Part of the mob
bility study tthat was do
one found th
hat we can have
both.. By traffic calming th
he smaller streets,
s
we encourage the traffic to go whe
ere it
belon
ngs – on the
e arterials. Spending
S
money
m
on Un
niversity will create mo
ore problem
ms.
•
If we
e go for the
e cheaper option,
o
would that givve us more
e money fo
or amenitiess like
trees,, etc.?
•
I wou
uld actually
y ride a morre winding route that was slower and safer. I would riide it
with kids rather than the main route. I’m not a ha
ardcore bike
er.
•
The north
n
- south connectio
ons are really going to be key to get people to
o ride these
e.
•
If the
e land uses are
a more inv
viting, more
e people wo
ould want tto walk or b
bike.
•
How would families biking with kids work
w
with d
diverters? H
How would they be ab
ble to
7
get across? I wo
ould be conccerned takin
ng kids thro
ough the miiddle.
-
There
e would be an opening
g for bikes to
t pass thro
ough and th
he entire inttersection w
would
be sto
opped with a red light..
•
Whatt’s missing so
s far in the discussion
n is that if Lincoln gott chosen yo
ou would ha
ave a
‘block
k away from
m a bouleva
ard’ scenario
o. Lincoln w
would pick u
up demand from Unive
ersity
so it lends itself to cost sa
avings. Idea
ally, you w
would have alternating
g facilities: bike
boule
evard, then a bike facility on a bussy street, biike boulevard, then a b
bike facility on a
busy street.
•
A lot of City Heights residents have ex
xpressed inte
e Orange - U
University ro
oute,
erest in the
partia
ally because
e it’s flatter..
•
There
e are a lot of
o kids alrea
ady walking
g east of Eucclid on Univversity afterr they get o
out of
schoo
ol. There arre a few scchools around there. SSo, if they have accesss there on their
bikess that would
d be ideal.
•
I tend
d to ride on
n high volume busy streets when I’m in a hu
urry. The w
wiggly route
es are
more
e fun, more peaceful bu
ut are best for
f when yo
ou have more time.
•
Estrella is a better optio
on than Winona for th
he north – south portiion of the rroute
because therre are destin
nations and
d it is flatterr.
h Discussio
on Station
Spanish
Resumen
n:
Entre el grupo habíía una prefe
erencia, aun
nque no mu
uy fuerte, pa
ara la ruta 2C en Unive
ersity
Avenue por ser má
ás directo. Todos
T
estab
ban de acue
erdo que e
en la alinea
ación 2C, la ruta
debería doblar en Estrella
E
Aven
nue en vez de
d Winona Street.
Comenta
arios:
•
La
a opción 2C
C es más dire
ecta y los cicclistas quierren cortar e
el camino e ir directo.
•
Hay
H demasia
adas colinas y vueltas en
n la opción 2B.
•
Con la opción de la alineación
a
en Univers ity Avenue
e, sería más fácil para
a los
peatones cru
uzar la calle porque se calmaría
c
el tráfico con el nuevo diiseño.
•
Pensé que el
e diseño de
el camino de
d bicis en Orange Avvenue iba a tener ciclovías
protegidas y separadas y creo que eso es imp
portante po
orque los ca
amiones gra
andes
co
orren rápida
amente y ess peligroso.
•
Orange
O
Aven
nue necesita
a muchos arrreglos de p
pavimentaciión.
•
Mucho
M
de Orange Avenue
A
no
o es muyy ancho,
estacionamie
ento diagon
nal para ten
ner más espa
acio.
•
Nuestra
N
prefferencia parra la ruta 2C es un cam
mino que va
a en Orange Avenue d
desde
North
N
Park hasta
h
Estrella, y luego que
q sigue en
n Universityy Avenue ha
asta La Mesa
a.
•
En la opción 2B, sería mejor
m
si el ca
amino se do
oblara en Esstrella Avenue y sube allí en
esa calle en
nvés de sub
bir en Wino
ona Street porque no
o tiene coliinas altas ccomo
Winona
W
Street así que sería una me
ejor opción que Winon
na.
•
Hay
H
tres esccuelas e igllesias en Esstrella, lo ccual hace q
que sea una opción m
mejor
8
pero se
podría insstalar
ta
ambién.
•
University
U
Av
venue es má
ás amplia y hay muchass escuelas ce
erca de Ora
ange Avenue.
•
Se
e debe sepa
arar los carriles para biccis de ida y vuelta.
South Corridor
C
Discussion: Lincoln
L
– University
U
& Robinson
n—Landis
•
Making
M
the connection
n between Robinson
R
a nd Alabam
ma Street wiith a pedesstrian
and bicycle bridge
b
improves the value of that alignment o
option.
•
Touch base with
w
Michae
el Prinz (Citty of San Diiego) aboutt the plans tto turn porrtions
arkway into a linear park.
of Chollas Pa
•
Lo
ook into which areas will
w need th
he impleme
entation of a pedestria
an flashing light
siignal. For ex
xample, wesstbound fro
om Universitty to Lincoln where it iis one-way.
•
Make
M
sure you
y
are integrating the
t
projectt with improvements defined in
n the
Chollas Parrkway will be closed and
Chollas Triangle Maste
er Plan. Po
ortions of C
re
econfigured
d based on the
t Chollas Triangle Ma
aster Plan recommendations.
•
We
W need to
o consider the relatio
onship and
d proximityy between the alignm
ment
alternatives chosen. We
e need to make sure that the ccombination
n of alignm
ments
ch
hosen addresses the different demands. The alignm
ment comb
bination sh
hould
provide a balance
b
bettween bicy
ycle boulevvards and direct, desstination-serving
fa
acilities. Forr example, we
w shouldn
n’t have two
o bicycle bo
oulevards trrapped betw
ween
tw
wo busy stre
eets with no
o facilities. The choice of alignme
ents should be strategicc and
made
m
in-rela
ation to each
h other.
•
Based on fee
edback I’ve received from residentts, Robinson
ption
n – Landis is a good op
to
o increase bicycle usse. The wide
w
cross-ssections alllow a bettter design
n for
in
ncorporating a bicycle facility bassed on the goal of prroviding a lower stresss and
ca
almer environment. Th
he farthest south
s
route
e will provid
de access to people living in
th
he southern
nmost portio
on of the study area.
•
Iff there is pa
arking loss, SANDAG
S
should coordiinate with tthe City to p
possibly devvelop
a parking facility. A con
nsolidated parking
p
fac ility will rellieve the streets of parrking
and parking--related trafffic. Look in
nto the deta
ails for mitig
gating park
king issues.
•
How
H
will th
he preferre
ed alignme
ents connecct with th e Uptown project biicycle
fa
acilities? This is a key isssue.
•
The Landis-R
Robinson op
ption will ne
eed to eventtually conne
ect to Unive
ersity.
•
The facility can
c traverse
e along Landis especiallly in areas where Univversity is na
arrow
but Landis ne
eeds to exte
end furtherr east of Eucclid and con
nnect to Uniiversity.
•
Where
W
is disp
placed park
king going to
t be recoup
ped?
•
Parking can possibly be recovered on side stre
eets or we do not repllace the parrking
re
emoved in order
o
to enccourage use
e of alternattive modes..
•
Between University and El Cajon, itt is really ha
ard to use Euclid as a bike facility.
•
Fa
acilities that have dead
d-ends are not
n desirabl e options.
•
The western
n side of Landis
L
will need to i ncorporate warning a
and wayfin
nding
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siignage beca
ause it jogs.
•
Slowing car traffic
t
along
g University
y – via traffi c calming, ssignals, and
d reducing speed
limits – will increase bicycle
b
trafffic and use
e, as well a
as improve
e the businesses
adjacent and
d along the corridor.
•
Itt would hav
ve a similar effect
e
to wh
hat the sup per sharrow
ws along 2nd Street in Long
Beach have done
d
to the
e businesses in Long Bea
ach.
•
However,
H
we
e need to be
b cautiouss about slow
wing down
n traffic on main stree
ets so
th
hat traffic won’t
w
divertt to neighbo
orhood, sid e streets an
nd cause spe
eeding on tthose
re
esidential sttreets.
•
The Universitty option prrovides bettter connect ivity than th
he other op
ptions.
•
Make
M
a high stress stree
et into a low
w stress faci lity. Revisit the idea off incorporating a
bicycle facilitty along all of Universitty instead o
of Lincoln to
o University.
•
On
O Landis, for
f
example, what ab
bout buildin
ng a two-w
way cycle ttrack with both
directions ad
djacent to each other and a linear park, then the travel la
anes.
•
However,
H
driveways will pose a pro
oblem.
•
What
W
about a bicycle-b
bus shared lane facilityy on Univerrsity? That could provide a
good facility
y and direct access to de
estinations.
•
I don’t know
w if most peo
ople would ride on a sh
hared bike--bus lane on
n University.
•
Advantages
A
to Universitty are that it is a majo
or corridor. It provides direct acce
ess to
desirable usses and gra
ade is not as bad in compariso
on to the other prop
posed
alternative alignments.
a
h Discussio
on Station
Spanish
Resumen
n:
Entre el grupo hab
bía una pre
eferencia pa
ara la ruta del sur en
n Robinson Avenue- La
andis
Street, por
p
ser más accesible para la co
omunidad y destinos como parq
ques, escue
elas y
centros recreativos.. A todos les gustó ell diseño prropuesto de
el puente p
para peaton
nes y
ciclistas que pasa sobre la carretera 80
05 porque es mucho mejor que
e el puente en
Wightma
an Street, el
e cual no es
e seguro. Lo
o único ma
alo notado a
acerca de e
esa alineació
ón es
que la ruta
r
es men
nos directo y no llega
a a ningún punto de interés, au
unque se po
odría
potencia
almente haccer una cone
exión hacia University A
Avenue.
Comenta
arios:
•
Se
ería una bu
uen idea qu
ue el camin
no en Land is se conecte al camin
no de Unive
ersity
Avenue
A
por Chamoune
C
Street antes de Euclid Street.
•
Es muy centrral Landis Sttreet.
•
Me
M gusta la opción 3D porque
p
no hay
h mucho tráfico, no hay negocios y hay mu
uchas
paradas, así que ya es como una ruta estab lecida y no
o necesita m
muchos cam
mbios
ex
xcepto los puentes
p
que
e se tienen que
q constru
uir.
•
Se
ería bueno hacer el ca
amino en La
andis porqu
ue el camino
o en Wighttman Streett que
lo
os ciclistas utilizan
u
esta mal.
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•
Lo
o malo es que también
n hay mucha
as vueltas en
n esa ruta.
•
Queremos
Q
ell camino en
n Landis Stre
eet porque hay mucho
o espacio en
n la calle y n
no es
muy
m transitada.
•
El único prob
blema con la ruta en La
andis Streett es que no llega a ning
gún lado.
•
Es importantte que las fa
amilias utiliccen el área de la comunidad en el camino.
•
Se
e puede usa
ar el camino
o para ir a escuelas,
e
parrques, el YM
MCA.
•
La
a ruta en Landis
L
coneccta mejor a la comuni dad por la puente que va a cruzzar la
gente.
ge Group Discussion
D
n: Alignm
ment Optio
ons
IV. Larg
Ms. Aria
as facilitated
d reports frrom each of the statio
on facilitato
ors. Facilitattors summarized
the key discussion topics, inclu
uding simila
arities and differencess among grroups. Ms. A
Arias
then led
d discussion with the en
ntire group
p about anyy additionall comments or clarifications
on the small group discussiions, project goals, o
or overall process. C
Comments from
commun
nity memberrs are summ
marized belo
ow.
Generall Discussio
on
•
Itt would be great if the
ese projects could addrress paveme
ent conditio
ons. Many o
of the
sttreets in San
n Diego are
e in such poor condition
n that it is u
unsafe to ride on them
m and
many
m
people
e don’t ride for this rea
ason.
•
What
W
aboutt just combining route
es in some portions w
where they get messy?? For
ex
xample, Un
niversity can
n serve many of the alig
gnments in the eastern
n portion o
of the
sttudy area. Iff we pick th
he Howard-Orange-Tro
ojan option for the Norrth Corridorr and
th
he University extensio
on for the
e southern corridor, then we ccan have m
more
co
overage.
•
We
W need to consider th
he overall co
overage tha
at the three
e corridors together w
would
provide, rath
her than selecting them
m independe
ent of each other.
•
We
W should not
n pit the bike boule
evard, “eigh
ht-to-eightyy” concept against the
e onsttreet facility
y on a comm
mercial corridor treatm
ment. We need both typ
pes of facilitties.
•
There is a co
oncern thatt if we slow
w the majorr streets do
own, the re
esidential sttreets
will
w suffer. On
O Universitty and El Cajon, peop le are doing ten to fiffteen miles over
th
he speed lim
mit. They are also speed
ding on ourr neighborh
hood streetss.
•
Meade
M
could
d still serve demand on
n El Cajon. El Cajon an
nd Universitty will take a lot
more
m
money
y and effort to make fa
amilies feel ccomfortable
e enough to
o ride on th
hem.
•
Iff we put biccyclists on the main strreets, they b
become safe
er. I use to ride on the
e side
sttreets but now
n
I ride on University with myy small kidss all of the
e time. Rese
earch
sh
hows that the
t
more pe
eople on biikes, the saffer it becom
mes to ride on those m
major
sttreets. There are also significant
s
benefits
b
to businesses on major sttreets when
n you
provide bike
e facilities.
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Otros Id
deas
•
Se
ería una bu
uena posibilidad tenerr la mitad d
de la calle para carross y luego qu
ue la
otra mitad este
e
protegiida por una
a barrera y sería un ca
arril bidirecccional para bicis
en ambas dirrecciones.
•
El Propósito ideal es que
e más perso
onas usen biicis para que
e el ambien
nte mejore.
•
Con estas nu
uevas rutas se necesita
ará más ban
nquetas y a
alumbrado p
público parra los
peatones ya que se aum
mentará el trráfico ciclistta.
•
Si es posible
e, debería estar incluido un pro
ograma de compartir bicicletas e
en el
proyecto.
•
Programas de
d mejorar el medio ambiente como comp
partir vehícculos y biciis no
llegan a las comunidade
c
es pobres.
•
También se necesita
n
estacionamien
nto para las bicicletas.
V. Nextt Steps and
d Closing Remarks
R
Ms. Enderle
E
desscribed the next stepss to the pla
anning proccess, noting
g the upcom
ming
publiic workshop
p to be he
eld in Aug
gust. She cllosed the m
meeting an
nd thanked
d the
Advissory Group and all com
mmunity me
embers for a
attending.
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